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Comentado por 168391

Well, let's list them :

Healing touch (should become obsolete with nourish no?)
Regrowth
Rejuvenation
Flourish
Lifebloom
Nourish

6 Great healing spells, all differerent.

4 of them are HoT, resto druid will really be incredible healer ^^

Comentado por eota

The spell with a hot up has a 4.07 HpM efficiency, compared to flash of light's 1.98 druids now have more then double the effectiveness in our quick heal. This of course is taken pre healing added, but at the spell casting speed, they both benefit the same from + healing.

Now, Healing touch has a 3.4 HpM at base, but with the talents that can improve its + healing outdoing the talents to increase nourish, and the higher Healing co-efficient, HT will far outweigh this spell in mana effectiveness.

All in all, Nourish is a great spell to bridge the one gap in healing druids had, and that is fast heals that don't OOM you. This will be great in solidifying druids end game healing.

Comentado por 176173

if you think about it the mana cost is low considering most of us will have 15-16k mana and druids have been needing a quick and reliable heal i think this will over all improve and round druids

Comentado por Wren

I'm just surprised this has better healing than a level 80sh flash heal and also costs less.

Comentado por 151753

Honestly, I would be extremely surprised if this survives the beta as it is now. Really it is a bit too much right now. The new top rank of Flash of Light costs just 180 less mana than this, and only heals for about 1/3 the amount.. and that's not even including the 20% HoT bonus on this. Flash Heal heals for about the same amount, but costs 175 more mana. And Lesser Healing Wave heals for LESS than this and costs 365 more mana.

I know this is just going into the beta, and a lot of things will likely be changed. But hopefully this won't be an indicator of how "balanced" WotLK will be.

Edit: This spell appears to have been recently nerfed. It now costs 22% of base mana instead of 9% (which to be fair, was quite overpowered). It is now much more in-line with the other healer's spell costs.

Comentado por Ubersheep

Does anyone know if Nourish will be usable in Tree of Life form? It's not a HoT...

Comentado por darkfusion5

The level 70-80 1.5 second healing spells for priests, paladins and shamans have the pattern of declining HpM for unmodified heals. (no talents or +healing)

Flash Heal
Rank 6 (lv 50) 2.2349 HpM
Rank 7 (lv 56) 2.3289 HpM (0.09 diffference)
Rank 8 (lv 61) 2.465 HpM (0.14 difference)
Rank 9 (lv 67) 2.5319 HpM (0.07 difference)
Rank 10 (lv 73) 2.6640 HpM (0.13 difference)
Rank 11 (lv 79) 2.6322 HpM (-0.03 difference)

For flash heal the trend seems to be an additional 0.13 or so HpM across expansions and 0.08 HpM per rank otherwise.

Continuing this trend, Flash Heal (Rank 11) should be 2.74 HpM healing for approximately 1970 to 2276 for 775 mana.

Flash of Light
Rank 5 (lv 50) 3.2 HpM
Rank 6 (lv 58) 3.3714 HpM (0.17 difference)
Rank 7 (lv 66) 3.37 HpM (-0.0014 difference)
Rank 8 (lv 74) 2.0657 HpM (-1.31 difference)
Rank 9 (lv 79) 1.9809 HpM (-0.08 difference)

For Flash of Light, the trend seems to plateau at 3.37 HpM. However for Rank 8 and 9, the HpM falls to a dismal 1.98; lower than that of Rank 11 Flash Heal.

Lesser Healing Wave
Rank 4 (lv 44) 2.068 HpM
Rank 5 (lv 52) 2.1901 HpM (0.13 difference)
Rank 6 (lv 60) 2.3157 HpM (0.12 difference)
Rank 7 (lv 66) 2.527 HpM (0.21 difference)
Rank 8 (lv 72) 1.8385 HpM (-0.74 difference)
Rank 9 (lv 78) 1.7823 HpM (-0.05 difference)

For Lesser Healing Wave, the trend seems to be a 0.12 HpM increase per rank and an additional 0.08 HpM between preBC and BC. If the trend continued Rank 9 should heal for 2.84 HpM.

For these spells, the HpM increase has diminished or even turned negative in the cases of Flash of Light and Lesser Healing Wave.

There are many ways to look at this set of data:
- +healing will play a larger role in WotLK causing the minute differences in the unmodified spells to be negligible
- devs are trying to implement a way to reduce the amount of fast heals healers can pump out; through lowering the amount healed and increasing mana costs
- the devs overlooked scaling of HpM and rather looked at scaling health and mana seperately

I'm betting on the last option, since Nourish (Rank 1) is an unmodified 3.39 HpM and 4.07 HpM with the HoT modifier. Both HpM counts scale way past any of the trends for the fast heals.

Comentado por 36554

Also guys, remember:Nourish will heal for more, and cost less(with talents), the more hots that are on the target. with lifebloom, rejuv, and regrowth on a tank, it'll heal for more while costing less. I don't know the exact numbers though. Of course if you're using nourish on a raid member that took splash damage and doesn't have hots on them, this doesn't apply.

Hm, the tooltip on this site is different than the one on the LK wiki. On the wiki, this heal will heal for 12% more for each rejuv, regrowth, or LB on the person. The one here just has a flat 20% if one of those are on the target. Either way, this heal will heal for more with at least 1 druid hot on them.

Comentado por frmorrison

The version linked here is overpowered, so it just got changed:

Flourish mana cost decreased from 585 to 450. Amount of healing decreased (Rank 1 now heals 672 HP instead of 1610). It still has the bonus effect is there is a HoT on the target.

Comentado por echowa

this move is op in my eyes since its healing is alot for mana and if stacks talents and other peoples heal over times this will do more dmg then greater heals of other char's and talents givesing 100% of mana back if anuth heal over times are up,but bliz will probly put a cap on the talents affect for this as well as the plus healing from this move hopefully, so other class's dont moan that we are best class at everything.

Comentado por 133035

Does the 20% bonus only apply for your HoTs, or does it apply to other Druids HoTs as well?
Also, is the 20% bonus able to stack if u have multiple HoTs on the target (like 2 from you or 1 from you and one from another Druid)?

Comentado por 79822

Certainly it would seem that this spell is better than the other flash heals. But then again, is it so strange that this spell is better, when you get it in level 80? Isn't it fair that you get that advantage if you have leveled a character without a proper flash heal until level 80, while the rest got their heals in level 20? Of course the ranks improve, but we didn't even have such a heal until level 80 and I think it's fair that it is slightly better then. I would find it strange if it was exactly the same as the other flash heals, but maybe that's only me.

Comentado por 175983

This is the druids only good instant heal. Healing touch is good, but it takes too long to cast.

Comentado por Calidus

I don't see much point in using this as Resto, compared to Regrowth with Improved Regrowth and Glyph of Regrowth.
Not only will Regrowth benefit from Improved Tree of Life's mana cost reduction, but it's going to heal for more in the same amount of time (with Nature's Grace, see Improved Regrowth).

Warning: Speculation based on current Build 8926
Some theorycrafting based on 5% base crit and Nature's Majesty:
With the talents and glyph, chain casting Regrowth would heal for 5500 in an average of 1.75 secs.
Nourish would heal for 3200 (with the +20% bonus) every 1.5 secs.
That's if you had 0 Spell power.

Let's see how they scale with Spell power!
While Nourish receives a 43% bonus of your Spell power, and Regrowth's initial heal 30%, it would take...
*scribbles something on paper*
(avgNourish+0.43*SP)*1.09*1.2/1.5s>=(avgRegrowth+0.3*SP)*1.55*1.5/1.75s
... actually no amount of (positive) Spell power would make Nourish do more average healing per second than the initial Regrowth heal does.
This shows how useless Nourish is at the moment, compared to Regrowth... For a Resto druid, that is.

I think the mana cost needs to be tweaked, as Nourish with Gift of the Earthmoter can cost between 22% and 17.6% base mana, while Regrowth is always 18.85% while you're in Improved Tree of Life.

I hope Nourish gets fixed and I get to delete this post.

Comentado por 176173

Honestly i play a pvp Dreamstate druid but this will make druids even more "Over Powered" in the arena this is will get nerfed

Comentado por TheFunk

Honestly i play a pvp Dreamstate druid but this will make druids even more "Over Powered" in the arena this is will get nerfed

Why would it get nerfed more than it already is? One of the above posts already shows that at the moment, it's useless. In the arena even, why would you use this spell when for .3 seconds more, you could cast regrowth, get the tree mana benefit, AND have something to swiftmend if you're really in trouble? This spell went from being crazy awesome to dumb as hell with that type of mana cost; 22% base is absurd for this type of spell, and unless they drop the casting time on it, quite frankly, it's useless as is right now, especially when you can use HT in tree. If you need a quick heal, regrowth can usually get the job done AND has a huge chance to crit, and the HoT it leaves is worth the .5 seconds, and if you just need more healing even after all the hots are up, using HT can get you double the heals for only what, about 33% more mana and a little more time? Let's hope they fix this a bit...

Comentado por Bloodisblue

Now the nourish has 18% mana cost, but with Tranquil Spirit, 5 points in that it has a 8% mana cost, that's 1% more than a flash of light. However, nourish has the chance to cause a Living seed, is 20% more effective for every hot and can proc off Natures grace which would make it a 1 second cast. I think this spell, if specced for it, will be amazing.

Comentado por 93958

How much mana is 18% of base? Or rather, what's the base mana of an 80 druid?

Comentado por TheFunk

Sevaekor,

I can see where you're coming from, and I know nourish is meant to fill the flash heal niche, but in PvP resto gear I see no benefit in using it over regrowth, especially with some of the new glyphs coming out and the ability to have swiftmending restokin at lvl 80. Yes, regrowth costs a bit more, but it's chance to crit is 3-4 times higher than that of nourish, and it leaves a nice hot, and in pvp gear, it costs a mere 1.8 seconds isn't a slow cast time, especially when you're casting off a nature's grace proc, which will reduce the cast time to 1.3 seconds; faster than nourish, all the previously discussed benefits, and leaves you with a much higher chance to cast that spell again if you need to.

Yeah, Regrowth rocks, Rejuv kicks ass, and Lifebloom gets me hotter than boiling water. But the second you go up against a good shaman, priest, or mage who will literally massacre all your HoT's with purge, spellsteal and dispel,... you, as a druid, are literally good for NOTHING.

The thing is, if they're busy dispelling all the hots, they aren't doing anything else. A priest that's dispelling hots isn't healing or mana burning. A shamman that's purging isn't going to be doing much either, and if he's supposed to be healing and my partner gets his partner down in the health, the second he tries to heal he'll be charged/bashed/cycloned/cycloned/charged and warstomped if need be...good luck to him getting a cast off, especially because while that's going on, my partner is kiting his away from him or at least out of his LoS. A mage that's spellstealing is going to go Oom faster than Richard Simmons gets to the bottom of a box of fig newtons, and then not only wasn't he DPSing, but now he's gotta go try to hide so he can drink/evocate.

In wrath it might be a different story, but right now, I don't mind it when people try to dispel my hots, the reason being that before they start dispelling them, I've almost always already got 2-3 rolling. At that point, them trying to dispel them will just waste their time. Even if they get lucky and manage to remove 3 LBs in a row, that means my rejuv wasn't touched, and is probably ripe for a swiftmend. Sometimes I'll just let them try to dispel them all off; while they're doing that, I'll be casting a regrowth, which will crit, and if he's still being a poopy pants by dispelling my hots, I'll swiftmend it right away (while crying about the low mana efficiency) because during all that time he was dispelling, he wasn't healing, and now my partner will be at full health while his will be damaged, meaning if I CC him now, it'll put serious pressure on him to heal, forcing him to blow cooldowns, cast easily interruptable, mana heavy spells, and if one little thing goes wrong, the match is ours. If you're getting locked down with earthshocks/counterspells/silences, you aren't doing a good enough job LoS'ing and pressuring the enemy so that they simply don't have time to do that.

That's my take on it at least. You are on to something though...there are times when a sizable 1.0 second heal would be nice; it's just that those times are relatively few and far between in the matches I play, meaning I don't have much use for nourish over other spells that have more utility, like regrowth :P

Comentado por 233879

this spell should be handy in raids, dungeos, and arenas in emergency's.

Comentado por 234996

Well, this spell will NOT become superior to Healing Touch in terms of cast time. with proper speccing, its now 3 second cast time can be reduced to 2.5 seconds, then with the major druid glyph "Glyph of Healing touch" it can be reduced to an amazing 1 second cast time. Still bad?

Comentado por 38577

I think HT and the the HT Glyph need to be discussed here. And I'll offer an Arena feral druid perspecitve, though I'm sure it's possible that this will apply to resto/balance.

With 5/5 points in Naturalist (very likely a "must" for ferals at 80) and the HT glyph, Healing Touch will be a 1 second cast (coming from bear or cat this will be virtually uniterruptable), and about 2000ish healing with no +heal or other talents. Nourish, with some type of hot on the target does, at the most, 2500 or so. Healing Touch gets more from +healing than Nourish. Someone can theorycraft a number that will show that at some point HT will do more healing than even a
"hotted" nourish.

Now, obviously, Nourish is much cheaper and this will mean a lot for ferals especially, but it still seems that it will be less desirable in most situations than a glyphed HT, though I'm sure it'll have it's place.

And this is without adding Regrowth to the argument. Is it possible that druids have too many castable heals now? Probably not but it'll be fun trying to find the right time and place for each. :)

Comentado por 50125

You gave advise to resto/balance druids. Tell me what feral druid's going to glyph resto.

Comentado por 182501

why is blizz constantly giving us healing spells with icons that look similar to marijuana leaves?

Comentado por Syladind

At level 63, I specced for healing touch, and with the healing touch glyph, I still do 2k~ healing touchs. Until we get nourish, it's the only real non-hot heal that feral druids or pure boomkins can use. Not everyone gets NS. But nourish is really going to help in emergencies to string with Regrowth.

Regrowth > Nourish > Swiftmend. 8k healing in 3-4 seconds.

Comentado por Maltore

This new healing spell is very good, and should adequately bring the Druid up to speed on single target healing in comparison to the other main healing classes (Paladin, Priest, and Shaman). In regards to 1.5sec heals, it is most comparable to the Priest's Flash Heal. Now, the only thing a Druid doesn't have in their healing arsenal that other healing classes do have is some sort of protection shield. I suppose, however, one could argue that the many HoTs Druids have help mitigate incoming DPS to an extent.

Now, let's crunch some numbers...

I will compare the maximum rank 1.5 second "quick" heals for the 4 main healing classes at level 80. These classes are of course Druid, Paladin, Priest, and Shaman, and therefore the 4 healing spells to be compare are Nourish, Flash of Light, Flash Heal, and Lesser Healing Wave.

Note: This analysis only considers the base properties of the spells and does NOT include ANY modifications to the spell's effects. Any modifications such as talents, +spell power, +haste, mana regen, critical heals, or buffs are excluded, and it should be assumed that any such modification would only improve upon the base effect of the spell. This also excludes the possibility of the healed target having a Druid HoT already on the target, such that the +20% bonus that Nourish would get is not included. It should be noted, however, that different classes may have higher or lower modifications to their respective spell via talents, itemization, etc.

Level 80 Base Mana: source: wowwiki.com

Druid: 3796 M
Paladin: 4394 M
Priest: 3863 M
Shaman: 4396 M

Mana Costs: source: www.wowhead.com/cata

Nourish: 18% Base --> 683.280 M
Flash of Light: 7% Base --> 307.580 M
Flash Heal: 18% Base --> 695.340 M
Lesser Healing Wave: 15% Base --> 659.400 M

Average Heal and Average Heal / ManaCost:

Nourish: 2035 H & 2.978 HpM
Flash of Light: 832 H & 2.705 HpM
Flash Heal: 2040 H & 2.934 HpM
Lesser Healing Wave: 1720 H & 2.608 HpM

Healing per Second:

Nourish: 1356.667 HpS
Flash of Light: 554.667 HpS
Flash Heal: 1360.000 HpS
Lesser Healing Wave: 1146.667 HpS

So, you can see that Nourish very comparable to the Priest's Flash Heal, being slightly more efficient (HpM) while being slightly less powerful (HpS). It's surprising to me how efficient this heal is in comparison to the other "quick" heals in the game, seeing as how Nourish is actually the most efficient base line 1.5 sec heal right now. I would have expected a Druid "quick" heal to be far less efficient, but I'm not complaining =). And this is NOT including the +20% bonus! Including the bonus increases the mana efficiency to 3.574 HpM, thus making it about 22% more efficient than Flash Heal.

Edit: Corrected source link.

Comentado por 253228

This spell is highly underwhelming at the moment.

Nourish heals for about 5k with my current gear (~1800 spellpower) and costs 18% base mana WITH a hot on the target.

Healing touch hits for 10k non-crit or better. With healing touch glyph probably 5-6k, and only 20.27% base mana and a 1 second cast properly talented.

Regrowth costs 21.11% base mana, hits for 5500 non-crit and 8k crit with regrowth glyph, PLUS a 27 second hot that ticks for nearly 1k. Also note that regrowth has about a 65% chance to crit (50% talents, ~15% base crit from int and raid buffs), which will proc living seed a lot and reduce the cast time to 1.5 seconds, the same as a nourish. Also, if you managed to kill Hydross and get https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=30051 (which is still great btw), the mana cost is further reduced. Furthermore, once you apply regrowth you are free to use swiftmend if necessary.

The only conceivable time I would use nourish would be if I was healing a MT, rolling tons of hots on him, and had the 4 piece T7 bonus https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=60137

Currently I'm not too impressed with lifebloom either, which hasn't really scaled up much from level 70. I'm using the innervate, regrowth and swiftmend glyphs right now, and casting nothing but regrowth, rejuv, swiftmend, and wild growth. This spell may have some potential, but IMO it needs further tweaking to be justified.

Comentado por 239052

This post is obsolete as of 3.08 and is left up for legacy purposes only. See note below.

Comparison between regrowth and nourish, in 4pc T7 with 1800 spell power (you could probably do better by the time you're in 4pc T7 but the above poster used 1800 and I don't feel like doing out nasty math):

Regrowth, first cast (numbers from above): 5500 non-crit and 8000 crit, crits 65% of the time for an average initial heal of 5500(0.35)+8000(0.65) = 7125 plus 30% of that, whenever it crits (65% of the time) = 8514 avg heal when you include living seed.

On your second regrowth cast, if you are glyphed for it, you get 20% more, or slightly over 10,000.

You also get a HoT with regrowth, and it's rather nice (ticks for almost 1k, lasts 27 sec properly talented, for a total of about 8k), but I'm looking at initial spell hits here because that's what you need when the tank is going down. You can also use swiftmend, as the previous poster pointed out.

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Now let's assume you have 4pc T7, and full HoTs up on a tank....lifebloom (stack and single count the same for purposes of T7 bonus, as far as I know), regrowth, rejuv, and wild growth.....and you cast nourish. That gets you an extra 20% for the first HoT, and then 5% more for each, so let's be generous and say that's another 20% (it may only be 15% because it may not count the first one again, but whatever). We'll also be generous and use these percentages multiplicative (1.2^2 = 1.44, whereas 1+0.2+0.2 = 1.40). I think WoW probably calculates it as a multiplier.

Nourish crits 15% of the time (roughly) based on the above-poster's numbers. Assuming a crit of 8k, this gets us an average heal of 5000(0.85)+8000(0.15) = 5450. Then you multiply by 1.44 (or 1.2, and then 1.2 again), to get 7848 as an average heal, with full HoTs stacked and the 4pc T7 bonus. You can add 30% more, 15% of the time, for the living seed buff, and this gets you 8201.

Thus under ideal conditions, it looks like a full resto PVE resto druid will heal for more off the initial hit of regrowth than off nourish.

Regrowth has a slightly longer cast time, but this can be overcome to some degree with 3/3 nature's grace. Regrowth also has a slightly higher mana cost, but as pointed out above, you get a HoT and slightly more initial healing on average from regrowth. It's worth noting that in better gear (say, a more-realistic 2500 spell power in your 4pc T7), regrowth gets more bonus than nourish, but the regrowth bonus is divided between the initial heal and the HoT such that nourish fares better in terms of immediate healing.

In short, you can color me unimpressed. Yeah, it's better than a priest spell that has the same cast time. So what? I'm not a priest, I'm a disappointed 80 druid. Just my two cents, but I think the niche blizzard filled with this spell, at least in PVE, was largely imagined--regrowth does almost the same thing, for only a little more mana, and adds a nice HoT. I don't care much for PVP, but you PVPers may find more use for it.

Edit was to correct a math error on living seed for nourish.

Note: as of 3.08, with significantly reduced mana cost, this spell is finding more of a place in a raid-healing rotation. It is very quick, has a ridiculously high crit rate, and is wonderful for hitting targets on whom you already are running HoTs (main tanks especially). Due to its interaction with HoTs, it is not advisable to spam only this spell, in terms of healing per mana efficiency, but it is far more useful than it once was. I will leave this post up so that people see that us resto druids really did have to walk to school in the snow, uphill both ways....

Comentado por 283354

I agree that Nourish is a great addition to the arsenal. While no one can argue that Regrowth is a beyond-amazing spell with its talents and glyph, I've found that Nourish has a notable niche in turning overheal into mana.

In terms of overhealing, I've used it best after a Regrowth (especially after a crit) to fill in a few thousand HP that Regrowth would drastically overheal at the cost of 90 more mana. While the mana difference between Regrowth and Nourish is only 90 in ToL form, that can add up to a couple thousand mana over the course of a long boss fight (maybe even a FEW thousand mana assuming variables like other healer deaths, extended time due to loss of dps, or any other unfortunate mishap).

(The following assumes a raid-worthy amount of haste and assumes you didn't proc Clearcasting, any of several trinket procs, etc. Obviously, don't take that as a "this is how it should be done" statement and berate me, it's just an example.)

If you're healing a target consistently and need multiple direct heals, using two Regrowths will cost 1440 mana and take 3.6 seconds (3.1 sec if the first Regrowth crits, if you have Nature's Grace). However, casting a Regrowth + Nourish costs 1350 mana and takes 3.2 seconds (2.7 seconds). Assuming you replace only 10 Regrowths in a fight, you saved yourself at least 900 mana and bought yourself Several Seconds to refresh HoTs, clutch heal, Rebirth people who stood in the bad stuff (cuz it sure as hell wasn't MY fault), etc. :P Again, this is assuming you are sure a Nourish will suffice (duh, don't let folks be killin' yer doods) or if for some reason you just can't spare the mana.

-- AND let's not forget that the T7 bonus means that if you're healing a tank who presumably has all your HoTs on him, your Nourish is likely hitting for 4.5 to 5 thousand non-crit (at least for me), so you're basically doing the same non-crit healing as Regrowth but, as indicated, for less mana and less cast time. Of course, that DOES NOT mean spam it. Use your head.

So Nourish may pale in comparison to the glory of Regrowth, but it has it's applications ... if you don't NEED a Regrowth crit, why spend the extra time and mana on one? Mana conservation in any form is still mana conservation. It isn't necessary for successful healing, but it certainly compliments the rotation of the mana-conscious healer who is able to use it situationally.

Comentado por 208857

honestly guys, nourish is what druids NEED! They havent had a flash heal yet, and with spell haste, yes regrowth is a 1.5 cast but nourish gets it too! so dont say nourish sucks or is useless..

Comentado por 290929

really the whole reason why they added this spell in is so you dont have to spam healing touch or regrowth when hots are up because its way to mana burning. i can remember times spamming regrowth in preLK when i was like wow why dont they just add in a flash heal. well i cant belive im saying it but blizzard actually made a good decision. tyvm and yes imo druids are best healers because they basicly have same HpM then a priest but with hots so even more! and for shamans chain heal wild growth + a lifebloom will make up for that.

Comentado por Azaram

A question I didn't see asked anywhere, and one that seems to have an obvious 'no' answer, but should be stated...

Is it 20% per HoT, or just 20% if you have any of the spells? Does regrowth and rejuvenation give 40% or just 20%?

Comentado por Qamar

why is there a screenshot of a Moonkin casting Nourish? Is that even possible? O.o

Comentado por Aisenfaire

Nourish and Healing Touch cannot match a properly specced and glyphed Regrowth for a PVE tree in terms of HPM, HPS, initial heal, and added HOT.

Regrowth has:
- a 50% chance to crit (Improved Regrowth), which will proc Nature's Grace and Living Seed
- heals for 20% more if Regrowth HOT is still present on the target (Glyph of Regrowth)
- HOT benefits from Empowered Rejuvenation, Genesis, and Nature's Splendor

which unfortunately cannot be matched by Nourish.

There is still an optional place for Nourish as a small heal to avoid overhealing and waste of mana, but it definitely cannot replace Regrowth as the big heal.

(I do not mention HT much, as glyphing and speccing for this is primarily for PVP, which is a different concern altogether.)

Comentado por 111007

If the 3.1 changes stick, this will replace regrowth as your main casted heal. The loss of the 25% crit talent is a huge nerf though. Realistically, you'll still be looking to use both spells frequently, just nourish for tanks. The sad part is they really don't want us using nature's grace anymore =T

This falls in line with the fact that upcoming nerfs to overall druid mana regen (innervate, OOFSR), regrowth was a less viable tank heal at over twice the cost of talented nourish. I suspect this will be a welcome change for at least a few long/intense Ulduar Fights.

Comentado por 291900

There will be a new glyph coming in 3.1 --> glyph of nourish : Your Nourish heals an additional 6% for each of your heal over time effects present on the target.

That means with (4) set bonus 20% heal on nourish and this glyph, nourish will be much better than Regrowth. Even more when nourish (finally) will also get 25% crit with talents. In other words, nourish > regrowth. And that's a good thing, because casting nourish is waaaaaay more fun then spamming lifebloom on every raid target >.<

so with upcoming patch the best glyphs for druid will be nourish, swiftmend, lifebloom/innervate if you have mana probs.

Comentado por 113282

From Patch 3.1

We will lose 25% crit from Regrowth but we will gain 25% plus to Nourish. (29% with Nature's Majesty 2/2)

Nourish itself:
Heals a friendly target for 1883 to 2187. Heals for an additional 20% if you have a Rejuvenation, Regrowth, Lifebloom, or Wild Growth effect active on the target.
4 T7 setbonus: Your Nourish heals an additional 5% for each of your heal over time effects present on the target.
Nourish Glyph: Your Nourish heals an additional 6% for each of your heal over time effects present on the target.
Gift of Nature 5/5 talent: +10% healup

Plus heals
+10% from Gift of Nature 5/5
+20% from the spell
+20% 4 T7 setbonus
+24% from glyph (i think i'll use it)
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1.96416 ... i think it's can be huge:)

Comentado por 338077

Doesn't use that much mana. It's the same as rejuv. Which is 2/3 of Regrowth. This heals about the same as Regrowth.

Comentado por Eagleshadow

I wondered if having different number of lifebloom stack mattered for nourish bonus heal.
well using glpyh of nourish and no tier bonus this were the test results:
1stack / 3stacks
4376 4457
4624 4631
4261 4275
4611 4546
4316 4487
4536 4639
4505 4532
4588 4593
4407 4505
4260 4579
4338 4449
4448 4487
4291 4613
4522 4607
4635 4504
4345 4458
4285 4547
4255 4613
4578 4503
4558 4404
4527 4471
4619 4315
4613 4302
_________avarage:
4456,4 || 4500,7
2,2% more healed with 3 stacks... seams really small difference for theoretical "2 more hots" on target :o ?

Comentado por 369979

Im wondering if Tranquil Spirit is worth the points now?

Comentado por 434822

Let's see how overpowered we can make Nourish.
Let's assume you have the T7(4) bonus, and a Glyph of Nourish, and that you have a spec that includes all the Talents that I include (not sure if this is actually possible, but hey, why not? :P).
You have all 4 of your HoTs on your target (those would be Rejuvenation, Regrowth, Lifebloom, and Wild Growth) and are in Tree of Life form.

Heal Bonuses
+10% from Gift of Nature
+20% from the spell for having a HoT on the target
+4*5% (20%) from the T7(4) bonus
+4*6% (24%) from Glyph of Nourish
+6% from Tree of Life form
+4% from Master Shapeshifter

Mana Reduction (629 before reduction)
-10% from Tranquil Spirit
-9% from Moonglow

Critical hit chance Bonuses
+25% from Nature's Bounty
+3% from Natural Perfection
+4% from Nature's Majesty

Can't forget about +15% bonus healing from Improved Tree of Life
Let's throw on some non-druid spells just for good measure, like Amplify Magic for example.

Well, that's about it I guess, but I'm not sure how Blizzard does the math, can someone sum this up for me?
Also add in anything that I may have forgotten.

Edit: Not really sure if I've done this correctly, but here are my calculations:
1.1*1.2*1.2*1.24*1.06*1.04 = ~2.165
Nourish has a spellpower coefficient of 43%, so lets assume you have 3000 bonus healing (ridiculous, but possible after bonuses/procs, I think)
then (1883-2187 + 0.43*3000)*2.165 = 6870 - 7528 for (629 * 0.9 * 0.91) = 515 mana

That's ~14 HpM at 4807 HpS
Thats before crits, procs, spell haste, and added HpS due to the HoT's you have on your target already.

*drools*

Comentado por 321529

Chuck Nourish

Comentado por Nuhr

Gift of the Earthmother now increases your total spell haste by 2/4/6/8/10%

+10% spell haste in 3.3 will make Nourish even more powerful spell.

Comentado por 208857

Coming from a Resto Druid, I sense a nerf coming up. Compare this to everyone elses "quick heals" this is quite OP. Maybe not a huge nerf but drop that 20% for each HoT to 10%. Really that shouldnt affect our heals all that much, we spam Rejuv anyways =P

Comentado por jdgks

Chuck Nourish

Comentado por MTops

This look like the slow, mana-efficient heal for Druids in Cata.
Really strange they get it at level 78.

Priests: Heal - level 16
Paladins: Holy Light - level 14
Shaman: Healing Wave - level 7

Seems a bit unfair...

In 4.0.6 this switched level requirements with Healing Touch bringing it in line with the other healing classes, so this post is no longer valid.

Comentado por 598687

It's obviously Chuck Nourish :P

Comentado por 283705

This spell trainable at level 80. Not 78 as wowhead states

(Oct. 7 - 2010).

Comentado por Rach3l

Nobody has yet commented on Nourish since 4.0 came out yesterday, so I'll give some thoughts on its current state:

Bloody useless, unfortunately, at least for current (max level 80) content. Same cast time as healing touch, less than half the throughput. It's cheap, but mana is not currently an issue. I actually cannot physically go oom while solo unless I spam healing touch for 3-4 minutes (in raids before Cataclysm is released, I anticipate truly endless mana regardless of spell choice, so throughput will matter more than mana cost). This may change at 85, but Nourish will have to have a cast time reduction or a significant increase in throughput to put it above where healing touch is now.

I'm actually seeing healing touch as a better filler than nourish, at the moment. Which, now that we're going to be better tank healers (with cheap lifeblooms again, but only castable on one target at a time except in tree form), we may actually use healing touch as a filler when regrowth, rejuv, wild growth, and swiftmend are still ticking/on cooldown. In tree form, my healing touch is critting for over 25k (although it's much more attractive to spam those instant regrowths if you're on raid detail).

Comentado por Benegesserit

You guys are totally ignoring how much of an issue mana will be in Cata. You will NEED this spell to manage your HPM or face going oom and wishing you didn't totally replace this with HT.

Comentado por 476166

But the problem is the cast time is way too long for the amount it heals. Druids no longer have a quick, mana efficient heal (regrowth's 1300ish mana cost is not mana effiecient).

Don't forget about spells like Rejuvenation ticking away while you use spells with cast times like this, and Swiftmend's 10% mana (on a 15 sec CD) makes life a dream. As you said in your edit though, they took away all of the fast, efficient heals.

Healing was a blast in WotLK

Using only a few of our best spells in raids, as a group healer no less, gets old. I'm very glad we're getting the chance to be tank healers for once.

Comentado por Pastoral

Can someone please explain why I would want this spell? Perhaps I'm clueless, but I don't understand what value this could possibly have. Its cast time is nearly three seconds, and only heals 2341 health. I'm a Feral Druid who's sitting at over 16K health. So, this seems like a long cast for a trivial amount. There is an additional 20% if I have Restore or Rejuvenation on the target, but so what? That's 2809 health. Big deal.

What's the application for this spell?

Comentado por 493065

Chuck Nourish likes to heal noobs! LAWL

Comentado por 181148

There seems to be a glitch in 4.0.3a where Omen of Clarity does NOT reduce the cost of Nourish. Maybe it's intentional, but the tooltip on OoC says it should reduce the cost of a cast-time healing spell.

Comentado por Pythagoreant

This is druids' inexpensive, slow heal.

In Cataclysm (as of 4.0.3a), all healers have the following types of heals:

Quick, expensive heal: 1.5 second cast, very high mana cost, high heal value.
Inexpensive heal: 3 second cast (usually talented to 2.5), very low mana cost, low heal value.
Slow, big heal: 3 second cast (usually talented to 2.5), high mana cost, very high heal value.

The mana costs differ very slightly between classes. Two of them have the quick heal cost more than the big heal.

Priest
Quick - Cura Célere
Cheap - Cura
Big - Cura Maior

Shaman
Quick - Maré Curativa
Cheap - Onda Curativa
Big - Onda Curativa Maior

Druid
Quick - Recrescimento
Cheap - Nutrir
Big - Toque de Cura

Paladin
Quick - Clarão de Luz
Cheap - Luz Sagrada
Big - Luz Divina

Comentado por Hyzer

As of patch 4.0.6 this will be trainable at level 8.

Comentado por Flyingbox

(PTR) This was traded with Healing Touch. This is now the Druid's "entry" heal spell (at level 8) while Touch was bumped to Nourish's former level of 78.

Comentado por 36212

If you are below level 78 Healbot currently won't allow you to cast Nourish.

I found a fix for this (until they update Healbot):

You need to change the code in the Healbot_Init file in your addon folder. Go down to the part where all the druid spells are (I think it is around line 520). And replace the current nourish and healing touch code with this:

= {
CastTime = 1.5, Mana = 25, Level = 78 },

= {
CastTime = 1.5, Mana = 1400, Level = 8 },

All you are doing is changing the level of each of them.

I recommend opening up the file from within NotePad. Make the changes noted above, save the file, then within WoW just type

/reload ui

and you're good to go!

Source: http://treebarkjacket.com/2011/02/10/healbot-users-nourish-fix/

Comentado por 567714

At 85 replace this spell with bandaids they work better.

IMO Blizz really dropped the ball with these slow light heals.

You can really only use them to top people off that refuse to eat while you drink.

So bandaids work better! :D

Comentado por 513001

currently i have a lvl 25 balance druid. i used to be able to que for instances as a dps or healer and i would do just fine as heals. but at level 25 nourish heals for a whole 160 health or 190 if i have rejuve up. without healing touch i just cant keep up as a healer, now i know in 5 levels i can dual spec into resto, but i was planning on speccing balance/feral. so i could be as versatile as possible, like druids used to/should be.

Comentado por 761648

Really no one cares about the 20g training cost on lvl 8! Is this true or just a mistake? I wanted to start a resto druid, but like this? (No, I can't just send gold from my main, cause I want it in a realm I've never tried. And there are new players as well.)

Comentado por tarthur1

Sometimes, I just use it to heal myself when I'm bored, just to hear the sound of it :3

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