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Comentado por 613

It's 180% at this level.

Comentado por Tigraine

You only see 180% written in your Spellbook because the default Blizzard UI applies the multiplier from your Opportunity Talent (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=14075)

The 150% is just right.

Oh, and btw: This is the new Backstab. Rogues were previously only getting through the AQ20 book drop. With Patch 2.01 out now it's trainable at lvl 60.

EDIT: Clarification. —Arideni

Comentado por Sebas

Backstab is the best skill for burst damage (besides ambush) for rogues who are not assassination specced. Grab improved backstab for +30% crit, Lethality for +30% crit damage, and opportunity for +20% damage and you'll be quite the death dealer with this skill. Assassination rogues with Seal Fate love this skill because of its insane crit chance. (Seal Fate is a talent that gives you an extra combo point when a skill that gives combo points crits)

Comentado por DJTyrant

You can get this through your trainer now and no longer require getting the book from AQ20.

Comentado por 7833

I still think this should be in the Assasination tree, but meh, that's just me, maybe even subtlety. But here is a good combat backstab build that maximizes your BS and Evis abilities as well as maximize your total DPS.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ihZMeV00yz0rGRtV

Comentado por starkill

Backstab is pretty nice if you can get the hit on someone it does crazy damage but ins takes 60 energy and you want to try to get as many points so dont use it every time. although it still is a very nice rogue spell.

Comentado por nitrod

Note that attacks from behind can't be dodged or parried.

Comentado por 159584

1350 ap Gladiator's shanker Mutilate spcc : i crit around 1,8 when kidney shot, can push it to 2.3k with Improved Expose armor. :)

Comentado por Carlotta

I am a bit unsure how one counts the dmg. done by backstab, but this is what I got:

Comentado por 222540

Only 45 energy if you improve it down the sub tree. Very useful indeed. In PvP, sometimes you don't hit the opponent or get close enough so you need an attack that consumes alot of energy and does alot of damage so you don't get "exess" energy. (I can't spell for sh!t)

Comentado por Banehallow

Let's say we have a sub talented toon. %30 base crit rate, +Malice %5, +Puncturing Wounds %30 = %65 Backstab Crit Rate. With Opportunity %20 more damage.With 45 point talent -15 energy = 45 energy. With HAT, if you crit, you will get another CP. Sinister Calling will give %5 damage bonus.
In this theory, we cant get CQC.

Conclusion: Causes (%155 WD+465) x %120= %186 WD + 547 damage with %65 crit rate, awards 1 CP non-crit, 2 CP if you crit and costs 45 energy.

Edit: Ofc it depends on resi and armor >.< If you use the glyph you will get %20 more damage too.

Comentado por butcher098

This is a powerful and useful ability, yet can be quite complicated and difficult to pull off in PvP without the target being stunned, since it requires you to be behind your target. personally i perfer Mutilate with poisons applied it can hit for around the same amount of damage depending on the weapons. you no longer need to be behind the target to use this ability as of a recent patch. However it does take 60 energy to pull off, which can be half of your total energy or more if you PvP. with the Slaughter from The Shadows talent in the sub tree, Backstab only takes 45 energy, granting more spare energy for other abilities.

If your confident that you can stay behind your target at all times in PvP (simple in PvE) then i highly recommend using backstab, if not then go with mutilate.

Comentado por derax

This ability is crap. Blizzard should give some reward for using it. It does the same damage as hemo per energy with the top line daggers vs. top line maces or swords while hemoing. The only saving of this skill at all is the glyph of backstab with slaughter from the shadows and puncturing wounds which make it worth using if you have the chance. Then you have to ask yourself is it worth having to stand behind a stunned enemy to get the little bit of extra damage from those talents and glyph to use backstab not to mention in general your cp generation after initial stealth attacks is going to be about 50% slower than hemo.

Comentado por 220355

You can use Gouge to hold the enemy for enough time to get yourself positioned behind him!

Comentado por Wanky

Mutilate does more damage than Backstab if you are specced for it, but if you're Assassination and you specced points into Improved Kidney Shot and have Glyph of Backstab, you can effectively use Backstab for high damage during Kidney Shot stuns. So it's not an entirely useless skill even if you're specced for Mutilate.

Comentado por GodofPudding12Q

It came from...behind...

Comentado por nusmesa

I am wondering atm if u can buff up Backstab to do insane DMG in PVP.

With this build (still working at it) i think you can buff up Backstab to crit for a lot for its energy use.

Xtra Crit: Puncturing Wounds + Malice + Close Quarters Combat = 40% Extra Crit Chance on Backstab.
For extra DMG: Aggression + Opportunity + Sinister Calling = 45% Extra DMG on Backstab.
With Premeditation + Cheap Shot and 1Hemmo u could put up a 5cp rupture right out of stealth and then backstab ur target to death. With help of the Rupture / Backstab / Hemmo Glyphs.

Rupture will get buffed from Backstab, Rupture, BloodSpatter & Serrated Blades

Anyone has any ideas?

Comentado por godseeker

anyone knows how much it crit ? with talents =
(http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=14137 , http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=61331 , http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31126 , http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=32601 , http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51689 , http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=14072 )

theorically it can hit for 20k+ but i dont know ,i didnt test it
someone clear us plz thx

Comentado por 350778

i just love the new animation of ambush and backstab, that purple mangle thingy.

Comentado por Cyberium

As unpopular as it is, what would be the optimal combat dagger spec? I notice that if I want full Lethality, Opportunity, and Relentless Strikes, I only have 49 pt available for Combat tree.

Comentado por Vip3r

Rogues do it from behind... YEAH !

Comentado por 492357

A nice trick to know while leveling, if you get a little to close to an enemy he will turn and walk forward. during this about 0.5 sec duration you have a chance to Backstab the NPC.

Comentado por ozanuyan

Okay firstly don't judge me for making a stupid talent. I know it is stupid but I'm just theorycrafting here...
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0xf0eZ0xVbgfxorubMRt0b:MNGcVm
So about the talent which is some kind of a fantasy to see the biggest damage that backstab can do...
Opportunity: 20% damage increase
Aggression: 15% damage increase
Blade Twisting: 10% damage increase
Surprise Attacks: 10% damage increase
Savage Combat: 4% damage increase
So as for total: 59% damage increase for backstab which makes 150% weapon damage into 239% and 465 into 635.
If we have the some decent equipment its around 500-600 main hand dagger damage I guess (I've never leveled a rogue tbh)
So for conclusion to base damage part: 500 is minimum its turned into 1200+635=1835 (with no damage reduction?)
Anyway lets check the crits:
Lethality: 30% damage increase
Prey on the Weak: 20% damage increase
As a total of %250 damage on crits. Which makes our 1835 damage into 4587.
With Close Quarter Combat and Malice we get extra 10% crit chance and with Puncturing Wounds talent we get an extra of 30% on backstabs. Which makes us crit nearly 75% of the time with backstab...
Sure it does need 60 energy and it may not really be worthy but it hits hard doesn't it?
Don't argue the use or uselessness with me... I'll not read empty quarrels or answer to them. But if I'm mistaken on the logic somewhere or if you think it would be better if I changed the guessed main hand damage then contact me with private message here or just write an answer here.

Comentado por TheMuffinMan

*ahem*
Gentlemen.

Comentado por 510385

1 tauren = 4 gnomes stacked on top of each other trying to get 1 backstab. O.o

Comentado por themguyman

so we have to w8 till lvl 18 to get this in cata that's going to suck

Comentado por QFred

This ability is amazing, not only for the damage it causes and also because at least 3 talents increase its damage. Apart from assassination rogues, who should spam Mutilate and use Backstab to refresh Rapture (if they use that glyph), it is an amazing, albeit slow, way to get combo point and a good dps input.

Comentado por Alcoholic

Trust me, no mutil rogues who does a decent amount of dps uses that glyph.

Comentado por MachinusNye

I'm not in the beta, so this is just some curiosity:
Looking at the calculators, they're adding some love (by which I mean, Two talents) to this ability in the Assass tree, so I'm just wondering if it's still better to use Mutilate over backstab, or if they're really making it useful for assass rogues.

Comentado por lopoman

Relentless strikes?

Comentado por Meggie

Indeed, you have to plan your move instead of mashing the backstab button.

Comentado por 748812

A Tauren Rogue can backstab you.

In the front.

Comentado por nixslayer

Gentlemen.

Comentado por rafagd

I wonder why this is a combat "spell" and why it's combat icon. I think it's pretty misleading...

Comentado por 89086

"No matter how subtle a , a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style."

Cookie if you guess where this is from.

Comentado por 749542

Does anyone know how to use this in combat with anything, because if you attempt to kidnet shot, all of your energy goes away and wont come back for a backstab intul they actully wake up, and gouge doesnt work becuase wouldnt a poinson with damage count as an attack?

Comentado por Uuneya

I could be wrong but I think that this is now the only baseline ability that requires daggers.

Comentado por Zz0mg

It's from Vlad Taltos. COOKIESCOOKIESCOOKIESCOOKIESCOOKIES

Comentado por Zz0mg

Tauren rogues and swirly balls are NOTHING compared to Saurfang facts. Man, Saurfang facts are the oldest of the old, most of them are just ripped off Chuck Norris facts anyway

Comentado por Zulecockinas

Mutilate requires you to dual-wield daggers.

Comentado por asherkobin

I am a level 43 Rogue and my tooltip says: "265% weapon damage + 443" but mine hits for about 290-300. So something's wrong.

Comentado por Lasmettus

Proven to be more effective than hemorrhage. With Puncturing Wounds talent, you deal 63% more damage than if you were spamming Hemorrhage. Even without the Puncturing Wounds, you still do more damage than if you were spamming Hemorrhage. And Hemorrhage is a faster combo point builder? Don't think so. With PW your backstab crits a lot, and you gain additional combo points from Honor Among Thieves. Combine with Glyph of Backstab for energy refund on Backstab crits.

Comentado por Tithanas

If this change makes it to live come MoP, Backstab will be a subtlety only ability. To replace assassination rogue's execute phase (below 35% hp) awesomeness, they now have a new ability called Ponto Cego since seems to have failed to make it to MoP.

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