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Comentado por Andrige

Actually looks believable but I kind of hope not... Lock Jaw (Catforms version of Kidney Shot with a bleeding component) was a great contribution to Feral PvP and could change the situation against for example Warlocks, this one is mostly a PvE ability.
From a raiding perspective though, this would be VERY awesome.

P.S God I love the icon at the very least.

Comentado por 52235

Does it stack? Seems like you could easily have 2-3 overlapping at the same time. Or will we have to alternate Rip with this every other cycle?

Comentado por Anile

Stacking this would be too OP. It is more than likely like a rogue's SnD, refreshing if you already have the buff. It would make rip do some insane damage though, so no need to stach this.

Comentado por antdog

At first I was kinda sad to see that Lock Jaw was removed.

And it did take me a bit to war up to Savage Roar.

But form a PVE stand point, this talent is amazing. It’s our version of Slice and Dice. I will be definitely using rip+sr in my DPS cycles.

And from a PVP stand point its great. Ok we lost LJ....but let another class stun the target. Let us go crazy with burst damage.

THINK ABOUT IT.

If you get IM....your mangles will cost 36. 36 divided by 2 (berserk) will be under 20 energy cost. That’s 5 mangles you can span as fast as you can. Then pop tiger’s fury and you get an additional 3 more. That’s 8 mangles....LOL

With SR and Berserk up, you got 8 mangles at +25% damage.

Call me crazy, but that’s not bad at all.

Comentado por Biglove

Although Lock Jaw was quite a loss PvP-wise, this is an INSANE ability for PvE. SR is an excellent damage buff and a CP-sink.
Well done, Blizzard, well done!

Comentado por Nulgar

Finally a "finisher" to use on low-HP targets - imagine having 3-5 CP on a non-elite target that is below 10% and another add waiting to get dealed with.

*edit* As of 4.0, you don't immediately lose combo points on a dead target (they disappear after about 20 seconds, or when you generate new ones on another target) and you can use Savage Roar (same with the rogue's Retalhar) without the target selected (alive or not) so you can kill an enemy however you like, and then spend remaining combo points on a SR before attacking the next enemy. Note however, that some boss adds or otherwise summoned creatures despawn instantly on death, meaning any combo points on them are lost.

anvex: dammit >_< well, I stand to my typo, I'll keep it for posterity!

Comentado por Jallel

This ability replaces the previous Lock Jaw. Imo, that's just too bad... Savage Roar is not a a bad ability, but I think Ferals are really lacking tools in PVP and since there aren't so many bleed immune mobs now, Rip makes a good finisher for PVE.

Not to say that the benefit a Resto or Balance druid gets from this spell is almost none. I'm sure that if you're forced to stay in cat form for any reason, it will always be better to have a stunt than a AP increase. Specially in arenas, in which many non feral druids start in Cat Form and Pounce an enemy. Having Furor and one combo point and using this would give non Ferals a way to spell interrupt.

Comentado por 63375

If this was added to the game, druids could almost completly replace rogues in pvp.

Stun openers with a DoT in it, CP Dots and instant damage, and now stun and damage done?

:/

Comentado por 66828

one think about this ability is that it say, 100 yards, that's some range for a self buff. to me this abilty sound like a party/raid buff. i realy hop that his is gonna be a raid buff

Comentado por 175983

this is like a rogues slice and dice only insted on speed, you get power.

Comentado por Bloodysorc

as of build 8820 this might finally be a decent finishing move, even if it means losing a rip. With the 4 and 5 cp roars hovering around 30 seconds, combining this with tiger's fury to catch up on the rip cycle might make this viable finishing move.

Comentado por 61487

We will get fights again like we had at Magheridon, where we will start with a lot of tanks, which go over to dps as soon their target is dead. Hire the drood!

Due to their OT/dps ability druids have been and will be a good option in raids, maybe still not on top of damage, but near. And believe me: a well placed battle rezz or innervate from one of the cats will still help to prevent some wipes. We should be aware of being a hybrid class, and to play our class well, we should never forget to use all of your abilities.

Comentado por iwt2001

Just to give an idea of how much this ability would do at level 80 with quest blues, over several lvl80 instance runs our feral druid's ferocious bite average crit was 10k and he crits for over 14k regularly, while his mangles were critting on average for over 4k. This finisher turns ferocious bite into a monster of an attack.

Comentado por Kramp

You can use Savage roar with a Omen of Clarity proc and it will not consume the OoC. :)

Comentado por bigby

I was running Violet Hold the other day and I kept trying to click my icon for this, but it wouldn't work. I had combo points, the situation was apt, any idea what could be preventing this? I believe it's another buff that I had, like trueshot aura, or that DK party buff. Anyway, if someone has any insight as to what buff to avoid in the future, I'd love to know. thanks.

Comentado por Sxeros

Savage Roar: The buff now persists outside of Cat Form but only provides its benefits while in Cat Form.

Source: Source: Source: WoW-Europe 3.0.8 PTR Notes

Comentado por 138716

Savage Roar can be used on targets under the affect of Ice Block, Divine Shield, etc.

Comentado por mouseno4

This spell makes your purple kitty's head glow golden with orange streaks and the chest of the target glow the same colour.

The sound it makes is really awesome, as its a the sound of an actual cat roaring. Just love popping SR and hearing the sound of 'OMG IM GUNNA RIP SUM FACE NAW!'.

Sadly, since my cute purple kitty is crit based, most mobs arent worth popping SR for since they are normally dead in a couple seconds.

Comentado por 311630

I actually think the same way as you... It will nerf them...

Rake the target for (AP/100+17) damage and an additional (90+AP*0.18) damage over 9 sec.

It increases in AP, not Physical Damage, and as we know (At least me, I sadly learned this the hard way), Tiger's Fury doens't increase Rip and Rake damage... And in the current PTR at least, it scales your attack the same way Tiger's Fury does... So, no more damage in Rip/Rake.

Comentado por Neba

I took my camera with me and went to scratch some test dummies on the PTR to put these "bleeds don't benefit from Savage Roar or Naturalist" myths that show up on this page to rest.

The results in bleed tick CRITS since that's what all the cool cats will do come 3.1.:

Without Naturalist:
SR not active: Rake 2793, Rip 2544
SR active: Rake 3630, Rip 3308

With Naturalist 5/5:
SR not active: Rake 3071, Rip 2798
SR active: Rake 3993, Rip 3638

Mangle is up in all cases and no gear is used that would proc AP or other effects. The test kitty has 7112 AP.

The relevant screenies:

Naturalist: No, SR: No. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3773/nonaturalistnosavageroa.jpg
Naturalist: No, SR: Yes. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8653/nonaturalistwithsavager.jpg

Naturalist: Yes, SR: No. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8054/naturalistnosavageroar.jpg
Naturalist: Yes, SR: Yes. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/792/naturalistwithsavageroa.jpg

The tests show bleeds are considered physical damage for the purposes of Naturalist and Savage Roar, and they get increased by 30% with Savage Roar and 10% with Naturalist.

Comentado por smiley001

From the latest patch 3.2 spell-comparison on mmo-champion:

Savage Roar is now only usable in Cat Form.

Most likely this will only result in a tooltip change, unless someone has any knowledge of getting this to work outside of catform ;)

Comentado por hemmer

Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thundercats, Ho!

Comentado por hppa

"Only useable while in Cat Form."

I'm not sure as English isn't really my first language, but shouldn't it be "usable", and not "useable"?

~typo alert!~

Comentado por wowogamer

Savage Roar can no longer be dispelled:

Dispel type n/a

Comentado por 281219

I saw an early post saying "doesn't stack". Is this meant that it doesn't stack with itself (which is quite obvious :D) or that it doesn't stack with other similar effects? (Hysteria from blood DKs for example)

ty

Comentado por 12486

Is it just me, or does Savage Roar sound a lot like Sex Panther, à la Ron Burgundy?

Sex Panther by Odeon
It's illegal in 9 countries. Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good. They've done studies. 60% of the time, it works every time.

Comentado por 172894

Anyone knows if there's a sound file to trigger this?

Comentado por 662302

http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=77493#. I heard someone wanted a 20% boost to some special abilities...

Comentado por hashmel

Should keep in mind cat bleeds have already been buffed simply by the fact that they now benefit from haste and crit while haste will also benefit energy regeneration. I see this as an understandable change to the ability considering our melee attacks missed the party where they handed out buffs and the loss of armor penetration.

Comentado por Mihir

Another change in 4.0 is that SR now uses your combopoints on any target that's within 100 yards. You don't have to have it targeted, and it doesn't need to be alive. So if you switch target or if your target dies and you had combopoints on the old target, you can use SR after switching targets as long as you didn't put any combopoints on the new target yet.

Comentado por 512966

http://www.wowhead.com/blog=173983

There have been massive buffs to cat dps abilities to compensate for Savage Roar only affecting autoattacks... it's really misleading because you end up doing the same dps even though the abilities got buffed to triple their damage.

Comentado por Tartonga

It can be dispelled by a rogue's Estocada.

Comentado por 655318

Although the buff persists in bear form it does NOT work on it.

Hemuk.

Comentado por kgurnhill

Does this improve Mangle (Cat) damage?
Before i get downrated, let me elaborate on why im a little confused...
This increases Autoattack damage by 80% (weapon damage, right?) and mangle does 540% weapon damage, so does mangle indirectly get a bonus when this is used?

e.g. of what i mean:

Melee Damage = 100
Mangle = 540 damage?
Savage Roar Used
Melee Damage = 180
Mangle = 972?

note: the numbers above are just for an example, used 100 as it seemed like the easiest number to use, to illustrate what i mean :)

Comentado por QuickBASIC

Can be removed with Enrage removing abilities:
Confortar Druida
Tiro Tranquilizante Caçador
Estocada Ladino

Comentado por 744549

Savage Roar
25 Energy

Cata: increase autoattack damage done by 80%
MOP: increases physical damage done by 30%.

so it's gonna be great to use even when doing aoe damage

0 point : 12 seconds (with the Glifo Calcinado)
1 point : 18 seconds
2 points: 24 seconds
3 points: 30 seconds
4 points: 36 seconds
5 points: 42 seconds

base 12 seconds with glyph, +6 seconds for each combo point used.
glyph looks really yummy. precast to get the 30% buff before starting the fight.

Comentado por Zaalbeth

Can anyone confirm that this is no longer an Enrage effect? It used to be but it's no longer listed as such.

Edit: Confirmed no longer an Enrage effect.

Comentado por 437270

In Mists of Pandaria:

no longer an dispelable enrage buff.

with Glifo Calcinado can sometimes proc Velocidade Predatória , happens rarely, but happens.

should have 100% uptime to have competitive dps

Comentado por Arberian021

Savage Roar is a spell which every Feral Druid Can use.
This ability must be kept active if the player wants to deal high damage. Increasing damage done by 40% for feral druids means increasing their effectiviness.

Savage Roar:Increases physical damage done by 40%.
It lasts longer when used on 5 combo points so i suggest to use this ability when u have 4 or 5 combos and when you dont have the effect!

Comentado por tucuxia

This is actually the wrong Savage Roar. The spell ID for Feral Specialization Savage Roar is now 127538 not this one. Wowhead has listed in the database as "uncategorized" but that is the correct current ID. Druid Timer Bars (addon) hasn't shown Savage Roar properly since MoP because it has the incorrect old spell ID.

Comentado por Vexem

If you happen to have Item - Druid T16 Feral 4P Bonus and you use Fúria do Tigre before using Rugido Selvagem while stealthed, you will aggro the mob because of the 3 combo points that gets applied from the 4P bonus. I only learnt this today, all that needs to be done now is just switch the ability you use first.

Comentado por 1383209

From now on you could extend this with 30% left on its duration. That means that when its less that 12,6 sec left of Savage Roar, you can exten and get the full benefit of its duration.

Ive made som buttons to Weak Auras 2 to help out with rip/rake/savage roar, and really liked the outcome.

Check out

youtube.com/watch?v=2MiCj3TrFnk

And you'll get the idea and import.

Comentado por sigprof

If you are trying to track the buff from this spell by ID, note that there is another variant of this spell: (new in 6.0), which comes from the (changed in 6.0). The old spell #127538, which was coming from the previous version of the Glyph of Savagery, no longer exists in 6.0.

Comentado por Zrgd

I still don't understand the reason for the archaic spell. Now that our bleeds no longer snap shot outside of Tiger's Fury and savage roar this is your biggest dps loss as you bleeds will drop 40% damage if this drops off.

Yet Paladins that had to keep a similar buff up in MoP Inquisição has been removed in WoD
Rogues need to keep Retalhar up, which in WoD will become passive via a perk for some specs, the others will have means to keep it rolling with out having to reapply it.

I just don't understand why similar spells get removed or have easier ways to refresh it while druids still have to mess with this crap. Ohh yeah we have a that fair...we get to take a damage loss for the same effect.

This is simply an archaic ability that just needs to have the 40% dmg it adds baked into our other abilities.

Comentado por hotaru251

This nerf from WoD version to Legion version is gonna suck... less damage and half duration per point...

Comentado por erafune

------- Legion 7.0 Feral Theory ---------

TL;DR: Feral got nice options. Incoming 6900 character wall of text! This post has been done for my own theorycrafting, not for your enjoyment. Use it if it helps. Abilities may have changed after 2016-06-20. Sorry for horrible english. I blame my teachers. Posted to both Savage Roar and Jagged Wounds page on wowhead.

CP = Combo Points
FB = Ferocious Bite
SR = Savage Roar
JW = Jagged Wounds
TF = Tigers Fury

So I'm seeing several different levels of "energy/CP consumption intensity" to play around with as Feral. I imagine this will increase Haste value as Feral stat.

Mostly it's the two level 75 talents "Incarnation" VS "Savage Roar", and the two level 90 talents "Jagged Wounds" VS "Elune's Guidance" that will affect how Feral will play out and how much energy/CP you need.

Incarnation = Berserk lasts 30 seconds instead of 15. That may seem like a huge +100% buff to Berserk, but maybe isn't.
In PvP this means you can just wait and pool energy if opponent uses defensive cooldowns since Berserk outlasts them.
In PvE you won't have much energy left to play around with after the first 15 seconds because you spent it already. The last 15 seconds will only be 20-50% as strong as the first 15 seconds.

Savage Roar (SR) = 30% damage increase, down from 40%. Now has a duration of 24 seconds, down from 42 with five CP. Same duration as Rip. So one of them has to be refreshed every 12 seconds. CP that could be used on FB has to be used on SR. Will it be hard/impossible now to keep up Rip on 2 or more targets without SR falling off? Maybe this works best on single target bosses.

Jagged Wounds = 33% shorter bleed, same damage. So Rip lasts 16 seconds and Rake 10 seconds? Decent dps increase if 100% uptime. Every 9,6 seconds (down from 12) would one of SR and Rip have to be refreshed.

Elune's Guidance = instant 5 CP + another 5 CP over 5 seconds. 45 seconds cooldown. Maybe burst with 3 FBs? Can be used to set everything up fast at the start of a boss. Can be used every other or every third Tiger's Fury. Can be used with SR talent to get SR + Rip up within seconds. But a 5 second headstart on a 5-minute boss fight may be negligible.

So I'm seeing Incarnation and Elune's Guidance as burst and dps cooldown type talents.
SR and Jagged Wounds seem passive, slower, just buffing already existing abilities, but puts demands on your CP/energy bar. Which one of them has the highest effect on dps/energy?

So we have four alternatives depending on CP/energy masochism:

1. Low energy intensity: No SR, no JW. Spend 5 CP on Rip every 24 seconds, and FB whenever. "Noob mode? Play with your feet mode? Unlimited energy mode?"

2. Normal energy intensity: JW but no SR. Rake more often, Shred less. Spend 5 CP on Rip every 16 seconds, FB whenever. "Cataclysm style? Noob mode x1,5?"

3. High energy intensity: SR but no JW. Spend 5 CP on one out of two abilities, Rip and SR, every 12 seconds. FB less. "Time to step up your game-mode?"

4. Extreme energy intensity: SR and JW. SR every 24 sec. Rip every 16 sec. Spend 5 CP on one of those every 9,6 seconds. Neither Incarnation nor Elune's Guidance is available for CP generation.
"Turbo-Kitty-Mode? There's a black hole in your energy bar-mode? Something is always about to run out-mode? Where is your Ashamane now-mode?"

For reference:
2.2. WoD style: Savage Roar every 42 seconds, Rip every 24 seconds. Spend 5 CP on one of those two every 15,3 seconds. "Was it all a bad dream-mode?"

For alternative 4 and 2.2 , if you think the numbers 9,6 and 15,3 seconds seem weird, I agree. I thought the answer would be half the average of the two durations - 10 and 16,5 seconds - but it's not. Count the total number of Rip/SR durations that run out over 48 seconds in alternative 4, and 84 seconds in 2.2! You'll get 5 and 5,5 durations respectively, giving you (48/5=) 9,6 and (84/5,5=) 15,3 as the average time before something runs out.

Anyway, the difference between needing 5 CP for a particular ability every 24 seconds, or every 9,6 seconds is quite massive. Both option 3 and 4 seem harder than what we had in WoD, but other abilities added/removed may reduce our rotation difficulty to be on par with what we had in WoD.

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Let's look at Legion Feral rotation-startup with SR + JW + Bloodtalons.

For the table below:
GCD = the global cooldown or second an ability is used. Varies depending on crits giving 2x CP. The first number is the fastest possible scenario to reach that ability with all crits. The second number is the worst possible with no crits.
Abilities used also get shuffled around slightly depending on crits. Notice "..or.." separating abilities for the two scenarios.
0-75% = the current damage buffs. SR give 30%, Bloodtalons give 30%, and Tigers Fury give 15%. I wrote them additively instead of multiplicatively to ease understanding.
Rake lasts for 10 sec and should be refreshed at or below 3 sec left, to get up to 3 sec bonus duration on next duration.
Berserk and Tigers Fury uses no global cooldown. They can be activated mid-cast.
Worst case scenario should be expected, anything else is a bonus. Input delay can make Berserk run out before 15 abilities has been used.

OPTION 1: SR then Rip

GCD __%__Ability used______
1--1 _0%_ Rake + Berserk
2--2 _____ Shred x2-4 until 5 CP
4--6 _____ SR to get Predatory Swiftness
5--7 +30% Tigers Fury below 30 energy. Shred x2 until 4CP ..or.. Rake x1 and Shred x4 until 5 CP.
7-12 _____ Healing Touch to get Bloodtalons
8-13 +75% TF + Rake to get 5 CP ..or.. TF + Rip
9-14 +75% Rip ..or.. Rake

Best case scenario Rip is delayed for 5 sec compared to Option 2. Maxed combo up in 9 sec.
Worst case scenario Rip is delayed for 7 sec and Rake is refreshed 1 extra time wasting 4 sec duration (7 energy in Berserk).

OPTION 2: Rip, SR, Rip

GCD ___%___Ability used______
1---1 __0%_ Rake + Berserk
2---2 ______ Shred x2-4 until 5 CP
4---6 ______ Rip to get Predatory Swiftness
5 __________Shred x1 if Rake >5 sec left
6 __________Shred x1 if Rake >4 sec left
7---7 ______ Healing Touch to get Bloodtalons
8---8 _+30% Rake
8---9 ___ 0% Shred x2-4 until 5 CP
9--13 ______ SR to get Predatory Swiftness
10-14 +30% Tigers Fury below 30 energy. Shred x3 until 5 CP ..or.. Shred x4 until 4 CP
13-18 ______ Healing Touch to get Bloodtalons
14-19 +75% TF + Rip ..or.. TF + Rake to get 5 CP
15-20 +75% TF + Rake ..or.. TF + Rip
18 _________ or save 1 stack of Bloodtalon + Rake by pooling until 3 sec left and TF is still active

Best case scenario, compared to Option 1, Tigers Fury is delayed 5-6 sec. +75% Rip is delayed 5 sec but gets +30% duration.
+75% Rake is delayed 10 sec or 7 sec wasting 5 energy.
Worst case scenario Berserk runs out, not enough energy, Tigers Fury and +75% Rake/Rip all delayed by 7 sec.

Conclusion is that starting SR should be recommended.

Comentado por RerunBlisters

Dear Blizzard,

Please redesign the current Savage Roar talent! Here are some ideas:
1) Make it a talent that consumes energy, not combo points.
2) If it consumes combo points, then increase the duration...at least 9 seconds per cp.
3) Or, keep it as is, but is refreshed automatically under specific circumstances e.g. Ferocious Bite critical, or when Tiger's Fury is used.

Perhaps others will have good suggestions for you to consider.

Thank you

Comentado por Lissowski

I just came here to say that I hate how my dps is so low without this spell and I like every single talent in 75 row but Savage Roar.

Comentado por malminos

I hate this ability. It's so boring and so mandatory. This is a game design equivalent of "i didn't do my math right on the DPS so here's a huge band-aid".

Please fix this Blizzard, god does this ability feel like crap to use and god is it ever mandatory. Just add that 25% in baseline to the feral spec and add a QoL talent set or something.

Comentado por schmilblick

This needs to be baseline or removed and it's effect integrated in druid damage.

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1 ponto : 12 segundos
2 pontos: 18 segundos
3 pontos: 24 segundos
4 pontos: 30 segundos
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25 de Energia / 1 para 5 Pontos de Combo

Alcance

100 metros (Vision)

Tempo de lançamento

Instantâneo

Recarga

n/d

GCD

1 segundo

Efeito nº1

Dummy (Mod SP:0.25)
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1
Script do lado do servidor

Efeito nº2

Apply Aura: Dummy
Valor:10
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1
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Valor:10cada2 segundos
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1

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[Discount Power On Miss]
[Allow Dead Target]
[Ignore Line of Sight]
Não pode falhar
[Do Not Display Range]
[No Harmful Threat]
[Taps immediately]
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