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Comentado por heartlessnobody

Roll the Bones
25 Energy / 1 Energy 100 yd range
Instant
Requires Rogue (Outlaw)
Requires level 100
Finishing move that rolls the dice of fate, providing a random combat enhancement. Lasts longer per combo point:
1 point : 12 seconds
2 points: 18 seconds
3 points: 24 seconds
4 points: 30 seconds
5 points: 36 seconds

I wonder what the buffs are and I wonder if people want to gamble with what comes down the pike

Comentado por Koshiqt

Updated for Patch 7.0.3:
There are 6 different buffs tied to this finisher.

Jolly Roger Gives your Saber Slash an additional 40% chance of striking an additional time.
Grand Melee Increases the rogues attack speed by 40% and leech by 20%.
Shark Infested Waters Increases the rogues critical strike chance by 40%
True Bearing Finishing moves reduce the remaining cooldown on many Rogue abilities by 2 seconds per combo point spent.
Buried Treasure Increases your base energy regeneration by 40%
Broadside Your combo-generators generate 1 additional combo point.

Comentado por Sorotia

Can you stack it multiple times or is it just a single random buff at a time?

Comentado por IloveMimiron

If they leave it as it is now and don't nerf it to, say, a maximum of 3 of the 6 buffs avaiable while in a raid or an arena, i suggest all future Outlaw rogues to macro this /y to hit whenever they get all 6 buffs.

"Tremble ye foul creature, RNGesus descent upon me and granted me unfathomable power , FACE YOUR DEMISE!"

I encourage to fashion this differently based on what you want to look like you're playing.

Comentado por darkv2k

02/07/2016

Seems it stacks twice before replacing both with 1, Pretty weird

The Six abilities are as following:
Broadside / Skills generate 1 extra skill point
Jolly Roger / Saber slash has an additonal 40% chance of striking again
Grand Melee / Attack Speed 40% , 10% leech
Shark Infected Waters / 40% critical Strike
True Bearing / Finishers reduce the remaining cooldown on your abilities by 2 sec per combo point
Buried Treasure / 40% energy regeneration

Comentado por Thief337

Just testing it out myself for a couple minutes to see how it works, it seems as if you actually roll the dice visually around your character and it gives you buffs depending on what you roll. You can get a single, double or even triple as I saw once, I wonder if you can get all 6.

Comentado por yager05

I hate this ability with a passion. The game is RNG already as it is, but putting this in. Really?
If I want this, I go to a casino or a pachinko parlor...
Waaay too random.

Comentado por DarkDei7

YES! I got 6 bonus in a roll while in a battleground and for 30 seconds I was oneshotting everything !

I posted a screen waiting to be approved, I didn't think it would have happened so easily! :D

Comentado por Muzgu

Here's a string to WeakAura that i've made to help myself tracking the buff.

Screenshot link here:
http://imgur.com/a/G0Eyx

String here:
http://pastebin.com/ePE76tBr

Hope you'll like it :)

If you'll find those bars too long It's very easy to edit them just by removing part of the text you personally don't need and shrinking the bars. I'll be probably using the short version when i learn each buff and it will look more or less like this:

CPx2 - timer
Crit +25% - timer
Regen + 25% - timer
CD -2/CP - timer
SS +25% - timer
MAS +50% - timer
(where MAS stands for melee attack speed)

EDIT: Updated verion with nerfs (40% to 25% in few buffs) + spell ID's added instead of english buff names. I've also changed the order of the buffs so they're IN MY OPINION from the most usefull / efficient down to worse one

Comentado por Shorty

Having used it a while, I'm fairly certain that the animation for roll the bones with the 6 dice isn't just fluff - it's actually rolling 6D6 to generate the array of buffs.

Consider: In all my time using it, I've had RTB give me 1, 2, 3, or 6 buffs - never 4 or 5. There are 6 possible buffs. If we assign each buff to one of the numbers one through six, then what I think RTB is doing is rolling them and then giving you whichever buff (or buffs, in event of a tie) came up the most times. So a roll of 111356 would give you buff 1, 112235 would give you buffs 1 and 2, 112233 would give you buffs 1 2 and 3, and 123456 would give you all of them. This is why you never get 4 or 5 buffs - it's not possible to get a tie involving 4 different numbers on 6d6.

Knowing this it should be possible to calculate the odds of getting a certain number of buffs, although I'm not certain on the math myself.

Comentado por dumenc

Asuming that Shorty has right.

Consider: In all my time using it, I've had RTB give me 1, 2, 3, or 6 buffs - never 4 or 5. There are 6 possible buffs. If we assign each buff to one of the numbers one through six, then what I think RTB is doing is rolling them and then giving you whichever buff (or buffs, in event of a tie) came up the most times. So a roll of 111356 would give you buff 1, 112235 would give you buffs 1 and 2, 112233 would give you buffs 1 2 and 3, and 123456 would give you all of them. This is why you never get 4 or 5 buffs - it's not possible to get a tie involving 4 different numbers on 6d6.

Knowing this it should be possible to calculate the odds of getting a certain number of buffs, although I'm not certain on the math myself.

You have a:

59.43% to get 1 buff
35.18% to get 2 buff
3.89% to get 3 buff
0.00% to get 4 buff
0.00% to get 5 buff
1.48% to get 6 buff

Comentado por Blakmane

Slice 'n Dice shouldn't be a Talent... it should be a glyph for RTB... kinda hate not having SnD by default.

Comentado por Kaldorai

this will get nerfed

Comentado por cruelwild

My jaw dropped to the floor when I got 6 buffs simultaneously

Comentado por 11unone11

Hope some day this skill won't look like cleaning the house and falling on the foor with 6 boxes.

Comentado por Bergelmir

I absolutely adore this ability! It gives you some of that wonderful randomness of actual roleplaying. You could trade it out for the old Slice and Dice for that precious consistency, but why on Azeroth would you want to?

Shadowlands edit: Roll the Bones is now a standard ability in the outlaw kit, and is no longer a finishing move. So now you can have both!

Comentado por llcoolbean

Great Rush album!

Comentado por Gnolp

In case anyone else prefers Icons to Muzgu's progress bars, I made a WeakAura using them instead.

Export: http://pastebin.com/SQtpLrya

In use: https://i.gyazo.com/ad67977491ace15ec906a49eefcbf452.mp4

Comentado por ttenev

Last few days Roll the bones sometimes give my goblin rogue 2 buffs at once-is that some bug or is some change that Blizz made?

Comentado por MRTF

I think this is a fun ability, but whether it's efficient, is hard to say.

I personally feel like this will lighten up my PvE days, but for PvP I'll probably be blaming constantly the RNG than enjoying the randomness of it.

It's also really hard to keep track on what buff(s) you have active to actually make the most out of it.

Comentado por Terijaki

From what I can tell current theory crafting suggest to have either 2 buffs or at least Postura Perfeita active at all times.

I worked on a WeakAuras 2 item that would show a simple icon if the condition is not met. When it shows it also includes the number of buffs active (zero or one).
http://pastebin.com/KPT9TYiH || http://i.imgur.com/kzphUG6.png

de0DnaqjOOQ(ebJsk6usHxbLAwqj3sQI2fjsgMuvDmI0YOe9msKAAus6AKOABus13KQGXbfv5CsvQ5rjb3Js1(irOfkvEiuuXfPKOnkvH6JsvYjLQIvcYnHIYoLs(jLugkLeAPucEQGPsexfk8vsuAVa)fkYGrhMqlMefpgQMmPCzjBguFMsz0KuNMkRwQc51ucnBI62sP2nKFl0WjHLtvpNunDrxNITlvL(ojIgpjcopjz9qrL2VAGuGeqOniObcAajGaUrpJTLukHeeGni80frnBmNZ5qZ5CkhXfLN4rdkN2N9p0CoNdnNZPdEIbYLDgy4MckKfvvEbSecQf9wC2heCPNL2uzfZYRl0yMQl0qZ5CoNZjE0GYP9jE0GYj2tPdnNZzH0gAoNth8edKl7mWWnfuilQQ8cyjiXBQzxj6DiBcnMP6cn0CoNZ5CIhnOCAFIhnOCI9u6qZ5CwiTHMZ50bpXa5YodmCtbfYIQkVawcqrzzvtleTvEHgZuDHgAoNZ5CoXJguoTpXJguoXEkDO5ColK2qZ5C6GNyGCzNbgUPGczrvLxalHE5frAtmRKRsOXmvxOHMZ5CoNt8ObLt7t8ObLtSNshAoNZcPn0CoNo4jgix2zGHBkOqwuv5fWsOZ4DL2uIVe1n(sOXmvxOHMZ5CoNt8ObLt7t8ObLtSNshAoNZcPn0CoNo4jgix2zGHBkOqwuv5fWsOZhf10DALUqJzQUqdnNZ5CoN4rdkN2N4rdkNypLo0CoNfsBO5CohAoNth8epAq50kmTCMQl0qZ5CoNZPVsJhnXJguo0CoNfsBOcPbcQSgmSELGECp7HERCPw36sTUv7T1Tu593d9ga3tRQCqqepD9TK4D2SvEmlQvGw9uA)Gq6D2SvEGeqWxTbbPwQuwheIkjYAizvGoqWOxysxrH7GD4yYGCjqzaHuLIceWn6zSniGB0ZyBmLQuuGGEkMgDqaj2U0bsaTKccD(OOMUtR0bTSee6mExPnL4lrDJVaTuAqOxErK2eZk5QaTSkiafLLvnTq0w5bTuoieul6T4Spi4splTPYkMLxh0Y6GGeVPMDLO3HSbsqWH6B51lqhiGB0ZyBqa2GWtxe1SXCoNdnNZPCexuEIhnOCAF2)qZ5Co0CoNo4jgix2zGHBkOqwuv5fWsqI3uZUs07q2eAmt1fAO5CoNZ5epAq50(epAq5e7P0HMZ5SqAdnNZPdEIbYLDgy4MckKfvvEbSecQf9wC2heCPNL2uzfZYRl0yMQl0qZ5CoNZjE0GYP9jE0GYj2tPdnNZzH0gAoNth8edKl7mWWnfuilQQ8cyjafLLvnTq0w5fAmt1fAO5CoNZ5epAq50(epAq5e7P0HMZ5SqAdnNZPdEIbYLDgy4MckKfvvEbSe6LxePnXSsUkHgZuDHgAoNZ5CoXJguoTpXJguoXEkDO5ColK2qZ5C6GNyGCzNbgUPGczrvLxalHoJ3vAtj(su34lHgZuDHgAoNZ5CoXJguoTpXJguoXEkDO5ColK2qZ5C6GNyGCzNbgUPGczrvLxalHoFuut3Pv6cnMP6cn0CoNZ5CIhnOCAFIhnOCI9u6qZ5CwiTHMZ5CO5CoDWt8ObLtRW0YPisBII5edKl7mWWnfuilQQ8cyjiXBQzxj6DiBcnMP6cn0CoNZ5C6R04rZ0BQHMZ5CoNZHMZ5SqAdvinqWxTTMIYlMrpiOeTdc4QlClccgfAIzbc4g9m2gtQDAfiKU2Lgibb1LZM6e0s59dcYrrnGeqifLlucKac6oKn5c0sAVbH2g50bKaAzz)GoqllLc6ajibbDffoqciO7q2KlqllbjiGllQRdKac6oKn5ceSG16fgwjibbf9vrkkxOeibeABKthqcibjiy0lmLIYfkbkdiy0lmHllQRd6abFuUasaH2g50bKasqccg9ct6kkCqhialINUicibeABKthqcibjiO5GHD4g5ufqci02iNoGeqcsqWOxycp2wzetqhi4fXlGeqOTroDajGeKGeeGJOm4WClqllvoiO50vilQkKI4wuheW8XbbFzZfrsuPOabhEebconqWAMuwujN9CAHOS8mvxZUiQ0bb8yuwlQKiqhi4qUet4X2kKRS0aTKccIMmcugqqutZLUisugtP3zZw51bsajiGmTL4D2SvEDqlPGaSxSDfsVykcAzvqqjDAPAqlL3piyqP3zZw5bsabCJEgBdcWgeE6IOMnMZ5CO5CoLJ4IYt8ObLt7Z(hAoNZHMZ50bpXa5YodmCtbfYIQkVawcs8MA2vIEhYMqJzQUqdnNZ5CoN4rdkN2N4rdkNypLo0CoNZ5C6R04rZ0BQHMZ5SqAdnNZPdEIbYLDgy4MckKfvvEbSecQf9wC2heCPNL2uzfZYRl0yMQl0qZ5CoNZjE0GYP9jE0GYj2tPdnNZzH0gAoNth8edKl7mWWnfuilQQ8cyjafLLvnTq0w5fAmt1fAO5CoNZ5epAq50(epAq5e7P0HMZ5SqAdnNZPdEIbYLDgy4MckKfvvEbSe6LxePnXSsUkHgZuDHgAoNZ5CoXJguoTpXJguoXEkDO5ColK2qZ5C6GNyGCzNbgUPGczrvLxalHoJ3vAtj(su34lHgZuDHgAoNZ5CoXJguoTpXJguoXEkDO5ColK2qZ5C6GNyGCzNbgUPGczrvLxalHoFuut3Pv6cnMP6cn0CoNZ5CIhnOCAFIhnOCI9u6qZ5CwiTHMZ5CO5CoDWt8ObLtLO9PLZuDHgAoNZ5Co9vA8Oz6n1qZ5CwiTHkKgibbLG1GH1Re0QNkD)yEGGMtVhzq4PRVfiikldcAoDfYIQ6dEebAjvP7bLU3s7he0trClQBfJouccyowzljwPfajiOdcwQuwQuwQuwfe6lOLuRAPuqca

I use this icon display in addition to the bar layout wowhead includes on this page.

Comentado por Armak

I wrote two addons helping with Roll The Bones.

First one is Troll The Bones, which displays your active RtB buffs and can also Play Audio with the number of buffs you rolled. When you have all six the infamous Leeroy shout plays and you yell a customizable emote into the world. It also keeps track of some bad luck statistics like huge single roll streaks.

https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/troll-the-bones

After using this addon for a couple of months I realised some days ago that the odds apparently changed. You practically never get seven single rolls in a row any more. So I created another addon to calculate everything needed. You can reset these statistics e.g. after each dungeon to see your rerolls or create a longterm statistic.

https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/258307-roll-the-bones-statistics

See https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/258307-roll-the-bones-statistics
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2159709-Possible-RTB-change for more information.

Comentado por mrksjke

Alright, now it seems to be nerfed into oblivion, since it now rolls 5 bones instead of 6, greatly lowering your chance to get 2 buffs and giving no chance at all to get all 6 buffs.
I am not that math savvy to calculate the exact chances tho.
Feelsbadman.

Comentado por DefensorPacis

Updated for 7.2.5..

True Bearing nerfed to 1.0 down to 2.0 sec per combo point spent.
Grand Melee is up to 55% attack speed from 50%.
Broadsides is the big winner with a massive buff in the form of a tagged on 20% more damage with all combo generating abilities.

Two extremely importantly changes, as well.
Quoted from the blue post..
"The distribution of the number of buffs you get from Roll the Bones has changed. On average, you will get fewer buffs. Our goal is to significantly reduce the desire to frequently recast Roll the Bones when you get 1 buff."

And they also baked in a flat .5 sec cooldown reduction in the form of Restless Blades.

Comentado por kodora1316

I updated another commenter's WeakAura for 7.2.5

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This shows each buff as a different colored bar:

Broadsides - green - Combo points x2
Shark Infested Waters - blue - Crit +20%
Buried Treasure - yellow - Energy +30%, 20% DMG (*Note* the DMG refers only to combo point using abilities, but it's too long to add that to the name)
True Bearing - orange - CD -1s/CP
Jolly Roger - red - Saber Slash +25%
Grand Melee - white - Attack speed +55%

Comentado por NomadPhoenix

Never really been a fan of this terrible RNG for DPS hit. All other classes and specs don't have near the hit in DPS as Outlaws with RtB talent. The idea of it is good IF it would give you at least 2, not 1, most of the time. Really, about 98% of the time, I only get one buff, spend a lot of time in the fight trying to get more than that and lose tons of DPS. If I don't try and reroll the buffs, I still lose much compared to SnD overall.

Then again, Blizzard never seems to really understand some classes and baby others. Guess they don't have a rogue dev in the team. I mean one that really does main a rogue... not an alt.

Comentado por seftstoply

Paramentos do Biltre Ousado allows you to combine Retalhar with Golpe de Sorte for the haste and occasional RtB bonuses.

Anyone know what kind of subliminal limits or diminishing returns this would create?

Seems like the best of both worlds but it probably is too good to be true.

Comentado por Devixon

If u need to WA2 see buffs from Roll the Bones (on pre-patch) here (in spoiler) have string code:

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This is how it looks: https://imgur.com/K1THb4N

Comentado por Charltonito

Currently testing while I level, but I'm quite sure the animation in the dice also estates which buff you will get. Can I get this confirmed by any? Can you list the symbols and buff associated as well?
I think this is a beautiful touch on Blizzard and actually makes me look at the dice instead of mindlessly pressing the button.

Comentado por schmilblick

BUG : As of patch 8.0, True bearing is not working without Restless Blades, which means 10 levels from 40 to 50 without the Cooldown reduction.

Comentado por jmbruni

Y'all and your 59%, 6%, etc....lmao! Never forget -- your total probabilities must add to 100%. I think one cruncher attached to Shorty's post got it right. (heh - Vanish!)

Comentado por kodora1316

Here's a weak aura that has a small description of each buff.
Each buff only appears when you actually get it.

Broadside: Your combo-generating abilities generate 1 additional combo point and deal 20% increased damage.
WeakAura text: CMB PT+1,DMG+20

Buried Treasure: Generates 4 Energy per second.
WeakAura text: 4 EPS

Grand Melee: Attack speed increased by 55%. Leech increased by 25%.
WeakAura text: ATTSP+55LCH+25

Ruthless Precision: Critical strike chance of Between the Eyes increased by 60% and of all other abilities by 20%.
WeakAura text: CRT+20,BTE+60

Skull and Crossbones: Sinister Strike has an additional 30% chance of striking an additional time.
WeakAura text: SinSt+30

True Bearing: Finishers reduce the remaining cooldown on many of your abilities by 1 sec per combo point in addition to the specs passive Restless Blades.
WeakAura text: CD +1

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Comentado por weltallica

Infuriating in Shadowlands. Especially with Kyrian covenant.

Broadside means 1 extra combo point. So if Echoing Reprimand charges the 2nd point, you're screwed (1 combo point generated automatically, so using any ability will bump you up to 3, making Echoing Reprimand unavailable until you Rioll the Bones again.)

And every time you get Grand Melee, the Slice n' Dice extending one, makes you feel AWFUL because ity's the worst possible buff, and reminds you that you gambled and lost.

When you could chose between Slice n' Dice and Roll the Bones, life was good because you could chose gambling (BIG wins, BIG loses), or consistant dps that lets you focus on the boss mechanics. Now with both locked into your rotation, keeping track of the boss' mechanics is so much data overload!

Comentado por glassleo

Here are the possible buffs you can get now in Shadowlands (up to date for patch 9.2.5):

Fogo de Bordo (193356) - Builders give +1 Combo Points; +20% increased damage
Tesouro Enterrado (199600) - +4 Energy regeneration every sec
Corpo a Corpo Proficiente (193358) - Finishing moves grant Retalhar; +15% Leech
Precisão Inclemente (193357) - +60% Critical Strike chance for No Meio da Testa; +20% Critical Strike chance for other abilities
Caveira e Ossos Cruzados (199603) - 30% chance for Golpe Sinistro to hit twice
Postura Perfeita (193359) - Cooldown reduction from finishing moves

You can get multiple at the same time, but more than 2 is very rare.

The talent Dados Viciados guarantees 2 buffs on your next Roll the Bones after using Adrenalina.

Comentado por zultharg

I'm using WeakAuras with 6 trackers - one for each buffs. I sorted them by priority and colored by importance, this is how it looks.
At least one green? Let it be.
At least two from the rest? Let it be.
Both red? Reroll.
It's quick and easy to make instant decision based on this.

Anyone interrested can import it from here and tune it anyhow he likes.

Comentado por Neuren

I like TellMeWhen and didn't wnat to track specific buffs but make a visual telling me "Roll the bones!" when I should. Icy Veins recommends to keep current buff in case

- you have Caveira e Ossos Cruzados
- you have 2 buffs and none of them are Corpo a Corpo Proficiente (unless it is GM and SnC)
- you have 3 or more buffs

So I made an icon of type Spell cooldown with the condition to show it if:

Buff - duration | player | =0
Caveira e Ossos Cruzados
AND
(
    (
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Fogo de Bordo
        AND
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Precisão Inclemente
        AND
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Tesouro Enterrado
    )
    OR
    (
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Fogo de Bordo
        AND
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Precisão Inclemente
        AND
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Postura Perfeita
    )
    OR
    (
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Fogo de Bordo
        AND
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Tesouro Enterrado
        AND
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Postura Perfeita
    )
    OR
    (
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Postura Perfeita
        AND
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Precisão Inclemente
        AND
        Buff - duration | player | == 0
        Tesouro Enterrado
    )
)

In notifications prettyfied it with Border activation - On ending and duration 10s (it glows when you need to prees Roll and bones). And on the main tab set "show timer", "show timer value". Transperancy: Failed - 0%, Ready - 100%, Not ready - 50%.

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Golpe de Sorte

25 de Energia / 1 para 5 Pontos de Combo	Alcance de 100m

Instantâneo

Golpe final que lança os dados do destino, concedendo um aprimoramento de combate aleatório. Duração proporcional à quantidade de pontos de combo:
1 ponto: 12 segundos
2 pontos: 18 segundos
3 pontos: 24 segundos
4 pontos: 30 segundos
5 pontos: 36 segundos [Estratagema Profundo: 6 pontos: 42 segundos]

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Duração

6 segundos

Escola

Físico

Mecânica

n/d

Tipo de dissipação

n/d

Categoria GCD

Normal

Custo

25 de Energia / 1 para 5 Pontos de Combo

Alcance

100 metros (Vision)

Tempo de lançamento

Instantâneo

Recarga

n/d

GCD

1 segundo

Efeito nº1

Apply Aura: Dummy
Valor:40
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1
Script do lado do servidor

Efeito nº2

Apply Aura: Periodically give power (Energia)
Intervalo:2 segundos
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1

Bandeiras

[Is Ability]
Não pode ser usado quando Transformado
[Do Not Sheath]
Não afetado por invulnerabilidade
Não quebra a furtividade
Não gera Ameaça
Requer pontos de Combo no Alvo
[No Aura Icon]
[Ignore Line of Sight]
Não pode falhar
[Do Not Display Range]
[No Harmful Threat]
[Not an Attack]
[Taps immediately]
[Allow Class Ability Procs]
[Periodic Refresh Extends Duration]

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