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Comentado por Kaij

I am grinding up my Troll Rogue (aptly named Kaij) right now and I have to say that a Combat build focusing on Swords and Blade Flurry is absolutely remarkable. Combat Rogues can normally take on 3 even-leveled NPCs at a time (Sap A, Blind B, stunlock C to death, stunlock B to death, stunlock A to death).

With the addition of Blade Flurry, Kaij is now taking on 4-5 even-leveled NPCs at a time, every two minutes, without any problems. The trick is, even though Blade Flurry says it hits an additional opponent, to make sure you focus on ONE NPC at a time. Get your five combo points (each attack - including Sinister Strike! - will hit another NPC as well) and unleash an Eviscerate. If your rogue is anything like mine (approx. 20% crit chance) you will drop both NPCs at once in 8-12 seconds. This leaves just enough time to drop two of the remaining NPCs to 50-60% health AND you'll still have another one Sapped! Easily one of the most powerful Rogue talents out there.

Comentado por Murais

Even without swords, this is an extremely useful talent. When leveling your rogue, I advise you to specialize in combat until you get this talent, and your preferred weapon specialization.

The combination of the two will create very nice and useful boost to your combat (white) damage. Having a white damage boost makes leveling easier, for it is not dependant on your abilities, and as far as the leveling rogue is concerned, the only thing you will need to do is get 5 combination points, and let loose your Slice and Dice combined with Blade Flurry, and literally watch the enemies hit the floor!

Comentado por Mundooj

Moreover, troll rogues can benefit especially well with this talent.

The rogue can build combo points up, unleash a Slice n' Dice finishing move that will increase their melee attack speed. Then, they can activate Blade Flurry to further increase the attack speed. Finally, the troll rogue can even activate their Berserk racial talent, increasing the attack speed EVEN MORE. From what I can tell, the effects stack on one another, making my rogue's attacks a blazing stream of damage.

The damage is increased even MORE when I activate the 31-point--talent Adrenaline rush.

Apply some instant poisons to both blades, and you certainly have a force to be reckoned with.

Comentado por Rigors

It should be noted that the blade flurry ability cannot crit the second target. In the event of a crit on the main target, blade flurry deals the crit damage, but is not a crit itself.

This ability also works with backstab, and applies the damage without requiring that you be behind the second target.

Comentado por Josina

The way I use Blade Flurry works like this:

I see two mobs, cheap shot one of them, pop Blade Flurry and use the two points I got from the cheap shot to pop a slice n' dice and just see the white damage flow over my screen.

This, if you ask me, the best way to use Blade Flurry since you will have a high attack speed which really deals ALOT of damage.

Comentado por Insomniotic

I believe BF only effects up to 3 targets (one being the actual target, and the other two surrounding opponents). Also, it seems the attacks on the 3rd target are weaker.

I've tried several times to stack 3-4 opponents on top of each other and use BF, the 4th target wasn't damaged and the 3rd had minimal damage.

Comentado por sparky

Im sure BF used to attack more than just 1 extra mob pre BC but not anymore...... I guess they felt it needed nerfed a bit and so now it only attacks 1 extra target close by. :( What u described with the BF only attacking some mobs a little and some mobs alot is down to u and the mobs moving slightly, when this hapens the BF targeting can swap between the mobs so it looked like u were damaging some more than others.
Not as powerfull as it used to be but still an awesome weapon when used right with SnD and AR.

Comentado por speaker817

Question..
Say if I use Blade Flurry, and crit Sinister Strike on a Bear Druid for 400, and theres another rogue on me.. will my Blade flurry hit the rogue for only 400? or will it do the normal crit on rogue for 1k??

Comentado por Squirrely

Be aware that if you use blade flurry while stealthed, it will unstealth you.

Comentado por Zeneroth

Indeed, Blade fury and Slice and dice are best used in unison. I activate Slice and Dice with 4 combo points first (18 seconds), then Blade Fury second (15 seconds). That way, none of the precious Blade fury time is wasted when it could be amplified with Slice and Dice.
But now that I've read all the comments here and know that Blade Fury also works for Sinister Strike and Backstab, I'm probably going to change my stategy.
Ideally, you would build up combo points, activate Slice and Dice, then activate both Blade Fury and Adrenaline Rush, maybe even Evasion. That would really turn you into a big threat.

Comentado por Impaler

I'm a combat rogue and i think that BF is very useful when solo-ing, because you'll be very often in contact with at least 2 mobs at once.. cool thing to do is quickly get 5 cp on one target and then eviscerate, 'cause u'll also eviscerate the other mob.

Also useful against shamans: if totems are close, u'll destroy them

Comentado por withmyrice

Outstanding ability in PvE, effectively doubles your damage output and allows you to survive accidental adds while soloing.

In dungeons and raids, be careful as the extreme damage output could grab aggro away from the tank.

Somewhat useless in PvP, after all if you're outnumbered by PCs, you're gonna die anyway. Might help if two lower levels are trying to team up and gank you.

Comentado por irni

Excellent against Soul Link warlocks; you will be burning their pet down while you attack them. With their pet dead, they will lose the 20% mitigation from Soul Link.

Comentado por HyperNova

Here is a question for you rogues out there.

I was just fighting two Gnolls in Ferelas. Well I crit one with Eviscerate for 634 damage while blade flurry was activated. My blade flurry hit the second Gnoll for 709!!!

I am a little confused about this. I thought that Blade Flurry simply duplicated the damage you produced without adding any kind of bonus. Now after reading the comments I here I suppose it's possible one Gnoll had less armor than the other. One was a Trapper and the other a Brute. The brute being a warrior and trapper a hunter type. The BF hit for 709 was on the hunter type while the eviscerate was on the brute.

Well anyway I guess I answered my own question but I still think it was neat.

By the way I am a 43 rouge in average gear and those were my two highest hits yet on this toon. Was pretty awesome to have two hits in a row that big. =] I have leveled a warrior, hunter, and shaman to max level before and I love all three but this rogue has been a blast so far. Just started the toon a few weeks ago, my shaman will stay my main forever but this rogue is a lot of fun.

edit: I also wanted to comment on the first post. Did slice and dice used to give a greater increase in attack speed per combo point? Otherwise I don't really see the point in doing a 5 point slice and dice. Even without the improved talent a two point S&D is more than enough. I have 3 pts in imp S&D and I usually devote 1 combo point to S&D per fight. If its a tougher mob I might have to do it again to extend it but usually the mob dies before it runs out.

Comentado por elazule110

Will Blade Flurry apply your poisons to the second target?

Comentado por Anarchy

No it doesn't.

Comentado por stevebat

the biggest thing about this is you can drop a huge damage like ambush which goes to the other opponent which is nice

Comentado por Estic

how many additional targets will BF hit? just one?
because I read this in osiris' guide: "Once you gain some confidence you should utilize blade flurry and adrenaline rush. Gather up two mobs (three if you think you can handle it) and kill them at the same time. This is a great time to use evasion as well. Throw in evasion and you can handle 4, even 5 if you're good."

Comentado por helmers

Having a white damage boost makes leveling easier, for it is not dependant on your abilities

That is just wrong. While levelling your white damage will be low, since you will most of the time be wielding a weak weapon, whereas most who have reached the level cap wield strong ones. Increasing white damage is not the best way to improve levelling speed. While levelling you rely on the base damage of your abilities, when you hit the level cap you want abilities that scale.

Blade Flurry is still a truly amazing talent, and one of the few ways rogues effectively can take down several mobs at a time. With a cooldown of just two minutes, it can be used almost every fight.

Don't use this when grouped unless you are fighting just one mob, or the tank have asked you to, as it will make you skyrocket on the threat list of both your target, and the second mob. Keep your tank happy!

Comentado por painjunkie

SnD+Blade Flurry+Adrenaline Rush+Mongoosex2+Berserk (if you're a troll)+ Heroism?= Ownage!

Comentado por pawntificate

Check out our new glyphs. Two in particular are very interesting for this talent: Glyph of Blade Flurry reduces the enegry requirement to 0 and Glyph of Preparation will refresh Blade Flurry along with Dismantle. I bet we start seeing some 0/21/50 PvP rogues abusing this. Two free Blade Flurries back to back, makes me smile just thinking about it :-)

Comentado por pawntificate

a 3-combo point Slice and Dice is all that is required to keep your SnD up for the duration of Blade Flurry.

Actually 1 point Improved S&D is 14.5 secs. If you are getting BF, I don't see why you won't also pick up Improved S&D. So whichever one you pop first will expire first.

Comentado por VoodooShade

On a Troll Rogue, pop this along with Adreneline Rush, Berserking, Evasion and Slice n Dice and you can take on some good numbers.

Comentado por Sient

I love this, also the combat spec for rogues. AD rush + BF + Evasion on about 8 mobs in Strath for farming orbs. Just make sure you LoS .

Comentado por SGTvolcan

Dont forget you can take on even more depending on your gear im a lvl 70 fully epiced rogue dont have WOTLK yet. But i will soon anyway i can take out 8 lvl 69-71 mobs at one time i dont use any items just raw power it all depends on your gear skill and spec.

Comentado por gilgamesh6

works with killing spree

Comentado por pepestev

Hi to all rogues out there, i ve been playing rogue since 60lvl but only recently started raiding seriously. Here goes my question: could possibly someone answer whats the exact range of Blade Flurry? I ve tried to check for myself but the mechanism just says its a self effect(like a buff). To make myself more clear, i m having a hard time to understand what's the max distance i can have from a mob(creature) to hit it (as a 2nd target) with Blade Flurry. Please pardon me for my englsih (as its not my mother language) and thank you for ur time reading this. Looking forward to a response.

(yes i ve tried to experiment myself with "target dummy" but still i would like a more proper answer)

thx again

Comentado por MasturCh33f

Does the 20% increased attack speed stack with Slice and Dice?

Comentado por N0M1Z

Question.. If i activate my BF + AD rush, and i spam FoK... Does every "knife" in FoK hit 2 mobs, instead of 1?

Comentado por faia

we ~~Travling~~ Hitting in the speed of light!

Comentado por Keelerak

This is going to be TERRIBLY nerfed in cataclysm. idk why, I dont see it so OP to need nerf....

Comentado por E0m3r

yes,it is like warrior's Sweeping Strikes + Bladestorm....but lasts 15 secs not 6 and for 5 strikes...:(

Comentado por Archangel

Attack speed taken off AND a -20% energy regen added. All in all, I think it is a buff, however I think it should instead be toggleable. It should read;

Blade Flurry
While active, reduces energy regeneration by 20%, but causes all of your strikes to deal duplicate damage on a nearby enemy target. Lasts until cancelled.

This would allow rogues a little more versatility in AoE situations. Do note that the -20% energy regen basically nullifies Combat's Vitality. 100% + 25% = 125% * .8 = 100%

All in all, though, I am happy to see the change in Cata, if it remains!

EDIT: On a side note, this skill is AWESOME when coupled with Killing Spree. Use this macro;

#showtooltip
/cast Blade Flurry
/use 15
/use 16

This will engage Blade Flurry and both of your trinket slots(if you have two +damage trinkets). Follow this up with a Killing Spree and watch the pretty numbers =)

Comentado por mikolaj73

Cataclysm Glyph of Blade Flurry:

Removes the penalty of reduced energy regeneration.

Don't you guys think? ;)

Comentado por themguyman

as one of my favorite podcasters referred to this "the kill everything button" go check out his youtube page http://www.youtube.com/user/totalhalibut?blend=1&ob=4 or check out cynicalbrit.com

Comentado por Hordrim

The positive part of this is that in Cataclysm, Combat spec will give us rogues 25% Energy regen as a passive.

Comentado por Hordrim

Even though we are losing the +20% Attack speed, Adrenaline Rush will give that to us. So in a Boss Fight, we will have the +20% Attack speed at almost the same rate as we had with Blade Flurry (I say almost because of the cooldown difference of 1 minute). Not quite sure how it will affect our DPS, we'll just have to wait and see.

I still agree with ArashikageClan though, it does sound odd that the combat specialization main ability is a "level-up only" tool. And since the only glyph announced at the moment was this one, we'll just have to wait for some change (if it ever happens). If not, at least we know we still have the +20% Attack speed :)

Comentado por ninkosen

I don't understand why everything single spec gets something useful for single target but this is completly USELESS, comes 4.0.1. I mean this is our MAIN talent tree spell and it's useless, only if you get ~~multitarget~~. Forget it.

Shadowstep ? Once u done ur ambush what do u do with it ? Stick it up your xss ? Useless too... Let's check the rest.

Mutilate, Heart Strike, Frost Strike, Scourge Strike, Starsurge, Mangle, Swiftmend, Aimed shot, Explosive shot, Arcane Barrage, Pyro, Water Elemental, Holy Shock, Avenger Shield, Templar Verdict, Penance, Chastise, Mind flay, Thunderstorm, Lava Lash, Earth Shield, Unstable Affli, Felguard, Conflag, Mortal strike, Bloodthirst, Shield Slam

You click on EVERY SINGLE of theses buttons, something good happen single target wize, either heal or dmg... Every single, that include Shadowstep even tho I think it's crap I mean, You can use it out of stealth, but can you ambush outofstealth does it even increase backstab dmg ? no. But let's say ok whatever I don't care...

Intimidation (arguably useless in pve, but good in pvp to have at lvl10)

So you click on Blade Flurry, and wtf happens ? NOTHING, not a !@#$ing !@#$, beside nerfing ur damn energy regen. This is our main spell for combat, it doesn't do a ^&*!, it doesn't even "Throw one point of damage to your target. Lol's". No a $%^&ing single point. And don't talk to me how good it is against 2 targets, even in pvp, who ever has a brain will just kite you...with all the lag, I would be surprise you can land 2 attacks on both targets...

They try to make like "look we are big boys now we now the game very well, look we scrap all talent and we do it all over, and better", it's still as stupid as it was before, even more...

Why everybody main spell is usefull, and Combat rogue has a retard one, are you EVER gonna pop that on a boss ? like EVER ? No you won't, then it proove it's retarted... bring back the haste buff or whatever... Shadowstep is arguably as stupid as a main spell... throw it somewhere in the tree but stop saying You give us something powerful when it ain't...

I know this post is gonna get burried, but I'm sure many people agrees with me... I'm not saying this spell is bad, it has it's place somewhere in the tree, but in no way it can't be THE OP main spell, like everybody has... Aoe dmg can't possibily be a main spell, not even in dreams... If you don't pop that on a boss or in a duel, then it ain't $%^&ing useful...

Gosh now let's meet in 2 *!@#ing years for it to be changed... I know it's gonna be changed, because at some point their brain get the information right, but it takes time to travel between each cells...

Rogues once again get an unfinished unpolished stuff, and we are there for 2 *!@#ing years till next expansion, and cataclysm isn't even here yet!

ps: I'm even surprise they didn't give Combat, Sinister Strike as the main tree talent ability.... this would have been less insulting...

ps2: if for a period of 2min you happen to not ever use your "main talent spec", any spec any classes, the design developping team SUCKED badly, and trust me this spell has this fate right in the face.... This is going to be the least used ability all classes/all spec, whenever you are on a raid boss for example for you pve achievers, I hate pve, but hey I'm willing to put myself on your shoes, ppl link dmg metter on bosses they don't give a damn of the trash mob...
This is putting myself in a rage.... who is designing the rogue class FFS.... you suck man... if you don't click on your main ability of tree on a boss, you suck, and if you do it, you suck even more....

Comentado por ninkosen

The most stupid "Main tree ability" (which as far as I know is supposed to be something you use often), I have been roaming in some zone killing some dudes, not once did I had to use it... not once...

Comentado por Ragingkid

To respond to the comment by Archangel, you can create a macro to "toggle" it, almost. Obviously, after it falls off, you can't put it back up unless it comes off cooldown. But you can remove the buff easily, a macro for that would be this:

#showtooltip Blade Flurry
/cancelaura Blade Flurry
/cast Blade Flurry

How it works:
Click once to activate Blade Flurry, and click again to cancel. Quite simple, really. I use the same concept for Enrage while tanking to give me rage, then avoid the increased physical damage taken when mobs are on me.

Comentado por Ragingkid

#showtooltip Blade Flurry
/cancelaura Blade Flurry
/cast Blade Flurry

Comentado por Lortharian

I've lived to see Blade Flurry becoming toggle ability... Let us all have a moment of silence for this will be awesome! 4.0.6. patch, I salute you. You made me more happy than my girlfriend did by making me lasagnas this afternoon.

EDIT: A possibility to use BF whenever it pleases you... I so hope they ain't gonna change it back ^^

Comentado por Powercarl

In patch 4.0.6 the magic is a turn on-turn off spell

Comentado por Attis

I think as a Default skill it should be replaced with

Comentado por Alexianoryuu

I'm sure others have noticed, but there is a range on Blade Flurry that seems to be based on how far you'd normally need to be from an enemy..
I'd be curious for someone who has the addons and time (both of which I don't have) to figure out the range(s) necessary for Blade Flurry to hit.

Edit: Something I've been taking note of, over time. The range on Blade Flurry seems to be normal melee ranged, based around yourself - not your initial target. So if you're fighting that big enemy with a huge target area who brought small target area friends with him? You'll have to adjust accordingly. ;P

Comentado por mroz123

Killing spree triggers BF for both main and off-hand attack.

FoK, Poisons and Rupture doesn't trigger BF.

Comentado por Recuperation

One major thing to note, is that Blade Flurry does not work with poisons or bleeds. Meaning that it will not apply poisons or bleeds to all mobs with the Blade Flurry effect. Just wanted to clarify the confusion.

Comentado por Azavari

Energy regen rate, with no talents/improvements/etc, is10 energy per second.

Vigor em Combate increases it by 20%. That means 12 energy per second. It would take 8 1/3 seconds for your energy bar to go from 0 to 100.

With Blade Flurry, that is decreased by 20%. That means ~9.6 energy per second. It would take ~10.5 seconds for your energy bar to refill completely.

If Blade Flurry is glyphed, that means it's only a 15% decrease. The result would be 10.625 energy per second, just a little over normal energy regen rate and about 9.5 seconds for your energy bar to refill.
Glyph of changed with the Pandaria expansion, now increases poison application rate.

Edit: Updated for Pandaria changes and again for 5.2 changes.

Comentado por synapse1972

Just to make it clear once and for all :

1. Blade flurry is now toggle ability.
2. It does not break stealth when you activate it.
3. Dealing damage to the main target while using blade flurry will duplicate your damage (100%) to the target next to it but it will not transfer DoTs (garrote, rupture, poisons) nor instant poison damage.

Thank you for reading.

Comentado por iard

Just to clarify some confusion on "how to succesfully apply blade flurry" with some ascii graphics.
Predefinitions:
1-Melee range:Melee range is maximum range that you can land melee abilities,in this case.According to wowwiki ,melee range in World of Warcraft is 5 yards maximum.
2-Circular Melee area:According to me,circular melee area is a circular area (obviously :)) which is centered at player and has radius of 5 yards.
3-C1 and C2 are creatures
4- (-> -Let's assume this is player and looks to right.(direction is shown with '>' character ).
5- Minus sign (-) represents 1 yard distance in graphics.

Blade Flurry copies melee damage(no poison no bleed) from your target creature to another creature in circular melee area.Blade flurry has no direction penalty.It's possible to damage a target behind you with BF on.Here are some examples for this mechanic;

Case 1-Let's assume there are creatures which are 2 and 5 yards away from you and both are in front of you.You damage 2 yard target,BF copies is to 5 yard target.Or you damage 5 yard target and BF copies it to 2 yard target.

(->--(C1)---(C2) BF can copy damage from from C1 to C2 or from C2 to C1

Case 2-Let's assume there are creatures which are 5 and 6 yards away from you and both are in front of you.Obviously you can't damage target 6 yards away from you because of melee range.But you can damage 5 yards away from you ,BF can not copy your damage 6 yards target since that target is 6 yards away from you.So,distance between targets are irrelevant,only your distance to targets matter.

(->-----(C1)-(C2) BF doesnt work here,one target is not in your melee range.

Case 3-Let's assume there are two creatures,one is 2 yards away,in front of you and another one is 5 yards away,behind you.You damage 2 yard target,BF copies your damage to the target which is 5 yards behind you.

(C2)-----(->--(C1) If you damage C1 ,BF copies your melee damage to C2.

For example in warmaster fight,if melee adds are 8 yards away from each other and your tanks slacks to stack them exactly at same point,just position yourself betweencreatures equally and enjoy Blade flurry.

I do not even mention creatures to your right or to your left since,BF can work for creatures for behind so obviously will work creatures at side of you too.

Comentado por Aquifel

5.2 Patch notes:

Blade Flurry now deals 75% less damage.

Ouch man, that hurts :(, i think someone forgot to tell blizz that rogues are already almost the least played class at 90 (Monks are slightly behind but gaining fast).

EDIT: Update!

Blade Flurry now hits four targets instead of two.

Will that turn it around? We shall see!

Comentado por perculia

Ghostcrawler, on 5.2 PTR Class and Set Bonus Issues

We are still iterating on Rajada de Lâminas. We feel like the implementation of Rajada de Lâminas on live forces rogues to go Combat on any cleave fights, while leaving Combat too far behind on any single target fights. It's fine if the rogue specs have niches, but the niches shouldn't be so rigid that you don't feel like you have any choice in spec. Rajada de Lâminas will be how Combat does 2-5 target AoE damage. In the next PTR build, it deals 40% of normal damage to up to 4 additional targets, for a 20% energy regen reduction.

Comentado por KillaGuerrilla

I love combining this with Killing Spree when attacking 2 mobs. Basically kills them both within a few seconds, and is great when you need to kill X amount of mob!

Comentado por Aquissya

For patch 5.2, blade flurry is changing dramatically. According to the latest patch notes as of today (Wednesday before the patch release), " now strikes up to 4 additional nearby targets for 40% of normal damage." With this and crimson tempest, rogues will be more balanced with other classes' AOE damage.

Comentado por Aquissya

As per the patch notes for 5.4:

"Killing Spree targeting has been changed. If Blade Flurry is not active, Killing Spree will now hit the Rogue's target 7 times or pick the closest eligible target if none had been selected. Killing Spree will continue to work as it has while Blade Flurry is active." (emphasis my own).

This will be helpful in encounters where multiple targets are in close proximity but you only want to do damage to one of them (i.e. the trash before Lei Shen where one has a shield and one does not).

Comentado por Eninia

WoD Animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZzVUbzQWAY

Comentado por spoonman184

Most OP ability 6.0. Rogues doing 300k DPS once again.

Comentado por RedWolf666

Blade Furry strikes on secondary targets do work with your poisons. This may not have been the case in previous patches, but it is in the current patch (6.2.2).

Comentado por DonJoseTheGreat

Was this the old blade flurry entry re-purposed for BFA? These comments are ancient, many irrelevant, and pretty funny in some cases.

(THANK TITANS this finally became a toggle.) Oof. RIP.

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