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Limit's Blog on Mythic Jaina Progression and Challenges

criado 07/2/2019 em 13:57 por perculia

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Comentado por SrDead Pretty interesting, thanks for posting it! Comentado por FunkyJam We'd like to see the discussion about Limit's strategy, so please don't post memes about 2nd and 3rd place and show respect to the competitors. Thank you! Comentado por persies People had been saying that Limit was going really hard on preparing for the raid, so it's interesting that they had that big of an ilvl difference. Their roster is also supposedly composed of more "mains" rather than having many people who could multiclass like Method. I wonder if each guild's respective recruiting strategy played a role in how the race played out. Regardless, it was nice of Limit to release this information. Comentado por Tacop Bloodlust top strat. IMO Limit strat > Method strat Comentado por perculia People had been saying that Limit was going really hard on preparing for the raid, so it's interesting that they had that big of an ilvl difference. Their roster is also supposedly composed of more "mains" rather than having many people who could multiclass like Method. I wonder if each guild's respective recruiting strategy played a role in how the race played out. Regardless, it was nice of Limit to release this information.

I was thinking about the differences in guild recruitment and roster approach too. I believe Sco even said in the Red Bull interview that Method's roster was a bit on the large side, and it already seemed smaller than Limit's as far as mains.

Limit also had an early ilvl advantage but it seemed Method made clever choices in funneling gear during their heroic splits day (and going 100m in debt with consumables and BoEs) which raised their ilvl during Jaina progression. Comentado por Gyrospark People were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.\r
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It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release). Comentado por prophet001 Seems like LIMIT had a lot more consideration for the fight than just "burn the boss".\r
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Nice to see this kind of strategy being used. Comentado por Rivenblade This whole race is a meme lol. Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple. I'm unhappy that this American team got cheated by Blizzards shady tactics here to create a bigger esports spotlight, maybe even siding with Method to do so? Please note I'm not saying Method did any wrong here, before you bash my theory laden opinion! Comentado por perculia People were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.\r
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It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).\r
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Perceptions also play a large role, Limit's faction-swap came across very controversial as it's something EU couldn't do for the same advantage (they'd only get one 400 piece, not two, due to pushing the Warfront too early) and their Alliance guild name, while a joke, could have rubbed some people the wrong way as it was disparaging about the game. Comentado por Rivenblade People were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.\r
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It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).\r
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Perceptions also play a large role, Limit's faction-swap came across very controversial as it's something EU couldn't do for the same advantage (they'd only get one 400 piece, not two, due to pushing the Warfront too early) and their Alliance guild name, while a joke, could have rubbed some people the wrong way as it was disparaging about the game.\r
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I'm sorry, but people a bit too sensitive! Limit did what was allowable, and to be fair skill will always trump gear anyway, right? Comentado por perculia People were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.

It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).

Perceptions also play a large role, Limit's faction-swap came across very controversial as it's something EU couldn't do for the same advantage (they'd only get one 400 piece, not two, due to pushing the Warfront too early) and their Alliance guild name, while a joke, could have rubbed some people the wrong way as it was disparaging about the game.

I'm sorry, but people a bit too sensitive! Limit did what was allowable, and to be fair skill will always trump gear anyway, right?

Didn't say it wasn't allowable, just that the guild rename came across as a bit of a troll :) Skill is important, but it's interesting how there ended up being a 4 ilvl difference between the guilds on Jaina, which can impact the success of a burn strategy significantly. Both guilds did say that a lot of their low % wipes did come down to people doing dumb things and executing the strat poorly though. Comentado por Leftkeywest People were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.\r
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It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).\r
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Perceptions also play a large role, Limit's faction-swap came across very controversial as it's something EU couldn't do for the same advantage (they'd only get one 400 piece, not two, due to pushing the Warfront too early) and their Alliance guild name, while a joke, could have rubbed some people the wrong way as it was disparaging about the game.\r
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I'm sorry, but people a bit too sensitive! Limit did what was allowable, and to be fair skill will always trump gear anyway, right?\r
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When it comes down to the point where you perform everything exactly and as perfect as possible, and still wipe to in this case to raid-wide unavoidable damage, gear will then matter. Top guilds need the advantage so gear does matter for them. Comentado por Yoduh This whole race is a meme lol. Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple. I'm unhappy that this American team got cheated by Blizzards shady tactics here to create a bigger esports spotlight, maybe even siding with Method to do so? Please note I'm not saying Method did any wrong here, before you bash my theory laden opinion!

blizz has done nothing this world first race that they haven't done in every world first race since vanilla. the undertuning of every boss but jaina being the exception, but that could just be bad internal testing, which is also very consistent for blizzard. Comentado por omedon666 These guys are better than I will ever care to be at WoW, I want to acknowledge that before I say these two things:

1) I\u2019m glad the group with the trollish guild name didn\u2019t win. I don\u2019t have time for community elements that look to devalidated my WoW fandom.

2) I\u2019m glad a group that openly streams their progress won, not because I have a dog in the race, I don\u2019t, but because I don\u2019t want the game to reach a feeling again where there\u2019s some kind of secret-keeping that works better than straight up skill and determination. Nothing prevents everyone from streaming the race except an ugly feeling that skill is a trade secret. It\u2019s not.

Again, grats to these big guilds that can do this, but even though I\u2019m not the kind of player that likes or watches this sort of thing, I like the vibe I got from method much better. It\u2019s the principle involved. Comentado por loken1999 When Method killed Jaina, they had an average ilvl of 406. At that point in time for Limit, their average ilvl was 402, showing that gearing and preparation was valuable for the fight. A burn strategy is harder to execute with poorer gear.\r
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Looking at there kill it says 388.9. Refuted for some reason only had 25 i level registered. I'm guessing they would of been at least 400 ilvl, which would make there over all ilvl around 407.6? Comentado por Aeliel Seems like LIMIT had a lot more consideration for the fight than just "burn the boss".\r
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Limit ended up burning the boss for a kill in the end (watch the video), just with a different way of dealing with the second intermission;\r
Method's decision to go for a burn strategy was very considered, based on the numbers, not just "lol let's just burn it";\r
Limit would've benefited from not flip-flopping on strategy, and they know it:\r
This fact is what hurt us most; we did not work on the mechanics in phase 3 to make it consistent due to continuously flip flopping strategies earlier on.\r
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Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple.\r
Honestly, I don't think Blizzard put in fixes to the bosses to just to screw with the competition. Blizzard hotfixing bosses while live is something that's been happening for basically forever, and it's largely due to the fact that they don't really test mythic bosses at all. Thus in some cases they have to fix them to even make them killable (Kil'jaeden...), in others they have to fix them because some mechanics aren't working as intended. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity incomplete design", and all. Comentado por Campfreddie "When Method killed Jaina, they had an average ilvl of 406. At that point in time for Limit, their average ilvl was 402"\r
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They said its not an excuse. They still said it as if it had bearing, which they must think it does or they wouldn't mention it. So they do think its a 'reason' (excuse) for not killing it.\r
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That guild is Bad. Comentado por Alugana This whole race is a meme lol. Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple. I'm unhappy that this American team got cheated by Blizzards shady tactics here to create a bigger esports spotlight, maybe even siding with Method to do so? Please note I'm not saying Method did any wrong here, before you bash my theory laden opinion!\r
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Lol. I want to see how Limit will clear next raid in 16 hours, before EU raid even open, and how Limit and NA fans will be happy to congratulate them for the world first. Comentado por NQbass7 When Method killed Jaina, they had an average ilvl of 406. At that point in time for Limit, their average ilvl was 402, showing that gearing and preparation was valuable for the fight. A burn strategy is harder to execute with poorer gear.\r
So your saying Limit killed it with 402 ilvl?. \r
Looking at there kill it says 388.9. Refuted for some reason only had 25 i level registered. I'm guessing they would of been at least 400 ilvl, which would make there over all ilvl around 407.6?\r
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No, Limit didn't kill it with 402 ilvl, their attempts pre-reset were with 402 ilvl. Post reset it was higher at which point the burn strat worked for them.\r
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From the blog: "On our pulls from Monday we were at 402 item level, and Method killed Jaina the first week at 406."\r
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People were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.\r
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Yeah I don't quite get the hate for the faction change, but no hate for Method buying out 3 servers worth of resources to level profession after profession just to equip a 400 ilvl item which immediately got scrapped, so they could trade for an item of that level. How is one better\/worse than the other? Comentado por Drudatz It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).Method killed Jaina in the first week I dunno why you talk abou a second week, which there never was befor the first kill?

This whole race is a meme lol. Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple.#1 calling Jaina simple, really?
#2 Limit didnt get cheated by Blizzard
#3 Sorry but when Limit gets beaten TWICE by Method for world first you have to expect Memes about that :D (no disrespect here)

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