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Limit's Blog on Mythic Jaina Progression and Challenges

criado 07/2/2019 em 13:57 por perculia

detailed blog on HeroesHearthClick here to read the full blog on HeroesHearthRed Bull Post-Raid ShowMethodJosh's Strategy BreakdownLeading up to Jaina

Looking back, many of Limit's strategies were messier-than-usual on the earlier bosses, relying on brute force. Big Dumb Guild's Rastakhan strategy was praised for being thoughtful.

Day 1

Day 1 was about learning the first intermission phase. The most valuable takeaway of that day was that Moonkins could detect the positioning of the boss and images.

Jaina initially had several bugs - she hardly damaged the tanks, and had odd sporadic movements, which were fixed Thursday and Friday.

Day 2

On day 2, their best attempt was 33% as the team learned Phase 2.

Progression was hampered by the Toque Congelante bug, in which the raid would get 4 additional Chilling Touch stacks at the beginning of the Phase 1 Transition. This affected Limit after their dinner break, and for half of Method's attempts the next day.

Day 3

Limit broke through the wall, with their best attempts at 24%.

The guild was split on using the burn strat Method ultimately used for their kill, but elected to try this strat for the day.

Day 4

LImit got to 18% with the burn strategy, but thought it would be impossible to use for the kill.

Method surpassed Limit in progression, reaching 15% that day, but Limit was still confident as they had more Phase 3 experience.

Day 5

Limit tried to get creative, trying all sorts of alternative strategies and learning a lot about Phase 3 mechanics through experimentation.

They learned about the timing of Jaina's Ice Block with her other abilities, notably that Orb of Frost is skipped. They tried to incorporate this knowledge into their kill strategy.

They also discovered that the Troll Racial Ginga Vodu was very powerful in reducing Toque Congelante.

They settled upon their final strategy for when to use Bloodlust, which differed from Method. Limit pre-lusts the raid except for 1 person and then pull after 2 minutes. That 1 person gets a Bloodlust the second they interrupt Jaina into Phase 3. This forces Jaina to Ice Block for 20 seconds. The rest of the raid then uses Bloodlust at 1 second left on Jaina's Ice Block, which allows the raid to get 39 seconds of Bloodlust in the Phase 3 burn.

Day 6

Limit race-changed many players to Trolls and started the day confident about a kill.

Blizzard changed how Orb of Frost interacted with Ice Block--it was no longer skipped, but delayed.. This affected Limit's strategy, but it still seemed in reach as they got Jaina to 10%.

They were unable to make it cleanly past Siegebreaker, and realized that Method's attempts were getting cleaner over time. They raided 2 hours extra, but the attempts got worse as players got tired.

Re-clear Week

Method killed Jaina while Limit was re-clearing on Opulence.

Attendance became a challenge as many players had to return to school or work, which led to a late start on Wednesday.

Limit killed the boss with only one paladin left alive in a bubble.

When Method killed Jaina, they had an average ilvl of 406. At that point in time for Limit, their average ilvl was 402, showing that gearing and preparation was valuable for the fight. A burn strategy is harder to execute with poorer gear.

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Comentado por SrDeadPretty interesting, thanks for posting it!Comentado por UchurWe'd like to see the discussion about Limit's strategy, so please don't post memes about 2nd and 3rd place and show respect to the competitors. Thank you!Comentado por persiesPeople had been saying that Limit was going really hard on preparing for the raid, so it's interesting that they had that big of an ilvl difference. Their roster is also supposedly composed of more "mains" rather than having many people who could multiclass like Method. I wonder if each guild's respective recruiting strategy played a role in how the race played out. Regardless, it was nice of Limit to release this information.Comentado por TacopBloodlust top strat. IMO Limit strat > Method stratComentado por perculiaPeople had been saying that Limit was going really hard on preparing for the raid, so it's interesting that they had that big of an ilvl difference. Their roster is also supposedly composed of more "mains" rather than having many people who could multiclass like Method. I wonder if each guild's respective recruiting strategy played a role in how the race played out. Regardless, it was nice of Limit to release this information.Comentado por GyrosparkPeople were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.

It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).Comentado por prophet001Seems like LIMIT had a lot more consideration for the fight than just "burn the boss".

Nice to see this kind of strategy being used.Comentado por RivenbladeThis whole race is a meme lol. Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple. I'm unhappy that this American team got cheated by Blizzards shady tactics here to create a bigger esports spotlight, maybe even siding with Method to do so? Please note I'm not saying Method did any wrong here, before you bash my theory laden opinion!Comentado por perculiaPeople were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.

It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).Comentado por RivenbladePeople were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.

It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).Comentado por perculiaPeople were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.

It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).Comentado por LeftkeywestPeople were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.

It seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).Comentado por YoduhThis whole race is a meme lol. Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple. I'm unhappy that this American team got cheated by Blizzards shady tactics here to create a bigger esports spotlight, maybe even siding with Method to do so? Please note I'm not saying Method did any wrong here, before you bash my theory laden opinion!Comentado por omedon666These guys are better than I will ever care to be at WoW, I want to acknowledge that before I say these two things:

1) I’m glad the group with the trollish guild name didn’t win. I don’t have time for community elements that look to devalidated my WoW fandom.

2) I’m glad a group that openly streams their progress won, not because I have a dog in the race, I don’t, but because I don’t want the game to reach a feeling again where there’s some kind of secret-keeping that works better than straight up skill and determination. Nothing prevents everyone from streaming the race except an ugly feeling that skill is a trade secret. It’s not.

Again, grats to these big guilds that can do this, but even though I’m not the kind of player that likes or watches this sort of thing, I like the vibe I got from method much better. It’s the principle involved.Comentado por loken1999When Method killed Jaina, they had an average ilvl of 406. At that point in time for Limit, their average ilvl was 402, showing that gearing and preparation was valuable for the fight. A burn strategy is harder to execute with poorer gear.Comentado por AelielSeems like LIMIT had a lot more consideration for the fight than just "burn the boss".

Limit ended up burning the boss for a kill in the end (watch the video), just with a different way of dealing with the second intermission;

Method's decision to go for a burn strategy was very considered, based on the numbers, not just "lol let's just burn it";

Limit would've benefited from not flip-flopping on strategy, and they know it:

This fact is what hurt us most; we did not work on the mechanics in phase 3 to make it consistent due to continuously flip flopping strategies earlier on.

Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple.Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ~~stupidity~~ incomplete designComentado por Campfreddie"When Method killed Jaina, they had an average ilvl of 406. At that point in time for Limit, their average ilvl was 402"

They said its not an excuse. They still said it as if it had bearing, which they must think it does or they wouldn't mention it. So they do think its a 'reason' (excuse) for not killing it.

That guild is Bad.Comentado por AluganaThis whole race is a meme lol. Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple. I'm unhappy that this American team got cheated by Blizzards shady tactics here to create a bigger esports spotlight, maybe even siding with Method to do so? Please note I'm not saying Method did any wrong here, before you bash my theory laden opinion!Comentado por NQbass7When Method killed Jaina, they had an average ilvl of 406. At that point in time for Limit, their average ilvl was 402, showing that gearing and preparation was valuable for the fight. A burn strategy is harder to execute with poorer gear.from MondayPeople were dissing limit for faction changing for that extra 400ilvl loot, method went 100m+ in debt (and faction changed to multiple realms to get more resources as they drained all the resources on their realm) to get all their looting strategy the first heroic week.Comentado por DrudatzIt seems like limit didnt do enough and method did far more to prep themselves going into the 2nd week (mythic release).This whole race is a meme lol. Clearly Blizzard has made the last boss way harder than the others to cause this "Competition". Limit should have placed first, but Blizzard seems to alter mechanics before AND after these races in such a way, to make some bigger event out of something quite simple.

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