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Alliance and Horde PvP Azerite Traits in Battle for Azeroth 26788

criado 07/6/2018 em 19:08 por perculia

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Comentado por Xalea Cool. For a PVP-themed expansion they haven't really done much development for PVP, aside from extorting PVE players into toggling Warmode. We need the ability to make max 120 characters so we can test all these PVP talents, etc. We're 8 weeks from launch and still can't do this. Not good. Comentado por Gulfos Cool. For a PVP-themed expansion they haven't really done much development for PVP, aside from extorting PVE players into toggling Warmode. We need the ability to make max 120 characters so we can test all these PVP talents, etc. We're 8 weeks from launch and still can't do this. Not good.\r
It's not a PvP-themed expansion, it's a Faction War-themed expansion.\r
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Also, they've made lots of developments related to PvP - "exorting PvE players" Is the most idiotic perspective of the new Warmode tech so far. Comentado por yawns extorting PVE players into toggling Warmode

More like barely rewarding players for opening themselves up to ganking as they level :p Don't be surprised if it takes longer to level with warmode on...

they haven't really done much development for PVP

Besides freeing pvp-server locked characters, creating pvp bounties, improving templates with stat customization, not allowing to switch out of pvp outside of faction cities, bringing back glyph style talent pools, and separating large battlegrounds into their own queue. Comentado por Fiiish For a PVP-themed expansion they haven't really done much development for PVP, aside from extorting PVE players into toggling Warmode.\r
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Scaling to make world pvp a real thing\r
Island Expeditions\r
Talent overhaul\r
Pvp specific azerite talents\r
Warfronts (kind of)\r
Incentives for killing players in the world making world pvp have an actual purpose\r
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We need the ability to make max 120 characters so we can test all these PVP talents, etc. We're 8 weeks from launch and still can't do this. Not good.\r
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What? I've had a maxed character on beta for at least 8 weeks. \r
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Seems to me that you're just complaining so you can fulfill your daily "I need to complain about things" quota for the day. Comentado por Agentkillerlee \r
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We need the ability to make max 120 characters so we can test all these PVP talents, etc. We're 8 weeks from launch and still can't do this. Not good.\r
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What? I've had a maxed character on beta for at least 8 weeks. \r
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Seems to me that you're just complaining so you can fulfill your daily "I need to complain about things" quota for the day.\r
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So you've just had beta longer than everyone else. Got it. Comentado por dragonscan Love me some small, passive, stat increase procs. How exciting. Comentado por Wasselin Will these work on islands against the faction NPCs? Comentado por Mattysaiyan \r
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We need the ability to make max 120 characters so we can test all these PVP talents, etc. We're 8 weeks from launch and still can't do this. Not good.\r
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What? I've had a maxed character on beta for at least 8 weeks. \r
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Seems to me that you're just complaining so you can fulfill your daily "I need to complain about things" quota for the day.\r
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Oh so you've maxed every class so you can test all the PvP? If yes you've mainly spent more time testing the leveling experience than the PvP. Seems like you just want to shut down any valid criticism as nothing more than whining. Comentado por Uriela For a PVP-themed expansion they haven't really done much development for PVP, aside from extorting PVE players into toggling Warmode.

Scaling to make world pvp a real thing
Island Expeditions
Talent overhaul
Pvp specific azerite talents
Warfronts (kind of)
Incentives for killing players in the world making world pvp have an actual purpose

1. World PvP is NOT what people mean when they talk about "PvP" This has no relevance to RATED PvP, 2s, 3s and RBGs

2. Island Expeditions are not PvP, they are PvE with some enemy players, the main goal of them is a PvE Goal, think of AV with less interaction with enemy players. Again, no relevance to RATED PvP.

3. Talent Overhaul? First off let me ask, did you ever play the transition from Cataclysm to MoP, that's what I would describe as a talent overhaul, going from a possible 41 talent points to spec into whatever you like, to a system of choosing 6 of 18 possible talents. You are describing being able to pick 4 talents (down from 6) from a pool of around 20-25 as an overhaul. Even with being able to take multiple talents that were previous mutually exclusive is hardly an overhaul.

4. PvP Specific azerite talents. Yay more unpredictable RNG elements. I have no strong opinion either way on this as of yet, I just hope it will be balanced better than some artifact traits were. (We saw Destro locks have nerfs to their traits in the final season of a 7 season expansion, 2 years after introduction.) This is hardly some piece of content that PvPers were screaming for, unsure as to why you would include it in a list of

5. Warfronts, Yeah literally nothing to do with pvp in the slightest, no cross faction element, fighting alongside other allied players, fighting NPCs. You weakened your own arguments adding something like this to your very basic rebuttal of Xalea.

6. I assume you're referring to the bounty system, a feature I am looking forward to, however, this again has nothing to do with RATED PvP. (Again dont forget, I will enjoy this feature as someone who considers themselves first and foremost a pvper, however it's not something I or the wider community asked for, nor should it be included as a point to prove the Development team has worked hard to give new content for pvpers.

I'll give you a hint, PvPer's are a simple bunch, they want a balanced PvP meta, with the ability to create, play (and perform well without being behind gear\/AP wise) on alts and various compositions. Had you argued the Development team had made moves to address these issues, you might have been heading in the right direction.

We need the ability to make max 120 characters so we can test all these PVP talents, etc. We're 8 weeks from launch and still can't do this. Not good.

Now this next part, is what inspired me to make this post, despite it being as lengthy as it has become.
Nothing Xalea said was wrong, out of line or flippant\/trolling.
They want the option to create max level characters to accurately test PvP, something that is possible on PTR servers, why not Beta? Leaving it this late can mean horrible bugs make it into live and hugely affect rated PvP.

But the Crux of the issue is, your attitude absolutely stinks, you clearly disagree with Xalea's assertions and so you provide utterly refutable claims and then stoop as low as to state he is "complaining for complaining's sake"

I would argue you don't know what you're talking about and the next point shows that to me.

What? I've had a maxed character on beta for at least 8 weeks.

Seems to me that you're just complaining so you can fulfill your daily "I need to complain about things" quota for the day.

FYI, the beta was released on the 24th April 2018, 6 weeks 2 days ago. Don't lie to give credence to your point, who are you Donald Trump?

And yeah, is it wrong to not want top spoil the leveling experience for yourself, or to simply skip it as you want to test max lvl pvp situations, which leveling has no relevance to.

Think before you speak.

Edit: Fiiish is probably a troll (Fresh Acc 1h20 min old) but I enjoyed writing this so no worries. Comentado por Mightylorddk People still calling it "pvp themed expansion"... \/facepalm Comentado por RagnarokCzD This is so Blizzard ...\r
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On Legion: "Hey equip wont create so many differences anymore, bcs ilvl will be all that matters"\r
... also we forget to tell you that you will not have ANY pvp talents at the start, so anyone who did at last one more BG will have advantage.\r
... also we forget to mention that it will not be scaled on World PvP so get ready to met raiders with double, triple, or even quadruple stats than new players.\r
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On BfA: "Ok, we admit that honor talents was fail ... and we want you to be equal from the start, so we give you PvP talents based on level ... instead of honor!"\r
... also we forget to tell you that we create PvP azertite traits, so you maybe wont farm honor ... but also anyone who did at last one BG more than you will keep his advantage. -_- Comentado por SemiRotation I personally think the scaling is going to ruin WPvP to a certain degree. I don't mind fair fights, but you have to remember, this is an MMORPG.

There is supposed to be some form of progression, not just through rating or honor levels, but while leveling, as well as through gear at max level.
As it is currently, a lvl 110 can evenly compete with a lvl 120. This is kind of appalling. I don't think that should happen at all. The scaling they have for that should've been kept to the 5 level rule, (amongst all levels, not just 110-120) where you will be scaled as long as you're 5 levels in range. Anything above 5 levels will be a 10% power difference per level above 5.

A lvl 110 vs a 115 will be able to fight equally, but a lvl 110 vs a 120 would be at a 50% disadvantage. As you level to 111, you'd be at a 40%, then 30%, so forth.

As far as gear scaling goes, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I disliked Legion instanced PvP because of stat templates. I'll admit, stat templates were fine for Legion in terms of controlling power since we didn't have any efficient means of gearing through PvP, but with the new Conquest system in BfA, they should look into the possibilities of being less controlling for gear power. I like the news that we'll be able to keep our stats, but I don't see with the new system how we'll be able to necessarily pick our stats

I'm more of a WPvPer. Always have been. It's just something that I found so very fun to me. The addition of bounty systems is awesome, but the new scaling is worrying. They seem to be leaving PvP progression only to honor levels and rating. Comentado por Dhrall Love the banner procs! Cool feature! Comentado por Nulgar \r
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Scaling to make world pvp a real thing\r
Island Expeditions\r
Talent overhaul\r
Pvp specific azerite talents\r
Warfronts (kind of)\r
Incentives for killing players in the world making world pvp have an actual purpose\r
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And all that without forcing regular players into PvP. Technically perfect, I'd say. Comentado por CommanderF I personally think the scaling is going to ruin WPvP to a certain degree. I don't mind fair fights, but you have to remember, this is an MMORPG. \r
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There is supposed to be some form of progression, not just through rating or honor levels, but while leveling, as well as through gear at max level.\r
As it is currently, a lvl 110 can evenly compete with a lvl 120. This is kind of appalling. I don't think that should happen at all. The scaling they have for that should've been kept to the 5 level rule, (amongst all levels, not just 110-120) where you will be scaled as long as you're 5 levels in range. Anything above 5 levels will be a 10% power difference per level above 5.\r
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A lvl 110 vs a 115 will be able to fight equally, but a lvl 110 vs a 120 would be at a 50% disadvantage. As you level to 111, you'd be at a 40%, then 30%, so forth. \r
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As far as gear scaling goes, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I disliked Legion instanced PvP because of stat templates. I'll admit, stat templates were fine for Legion in terms of controlling power since we didn't have any efficient means of gearing through PvP, but with the new Conquest system in BfA, they should look into the possibilities of being less controlling for gear power. I like the news that we'll be able to keep our stats, but I don't see with the new system how we'll be able to necessarily pick our stats\r
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I'm more of a WPvPer. Always have been. It's just something that I found so very fun to me. The addition of bounty systems is awesome, but the new scaling is worrying. They seem to be leaving PvP progression only to honor levels and rating.\r
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110s also have working legion legendaries) Comentado por Fiiish \r
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Actually you're wrong. There is a lot of players (myself included) who enjoy world PvP and to see Blizzard put so much effort into it goes to show that they acknowledge this. Show me where Xalea says "Rated PvP" please. If Xalea had said rated PvP i'd probably have never made the post. World PvP falls under the category "PvP". You can't change the meaning of something to fit your narrative\r
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2. Island Expeditions are not PvP, they are PvE with some enemy players, the main goal of them is a PvE Goal, think of AV with less interaction with enemy players. Again, no relevance to RATED PvP.\r
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Again. Show me where Xalea specifies Rated PvP. \r
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3. Talent Overhaul? First off let me ask, did you ever play the transition from Cataclysm to MoP, that's what I would describe as a talent overhaul, going from a possible 41 talent points to spec into whatever you like, to a system of choosing 6 of 18 possible talents. You are describing being able to pick 4 talents (down from 6) from a pool of around 20-25 as an overhaul. Even with being able to take multiple talents that were previous mutually exclusive is hardly an overhaul.\r
1. Yes i did play with the old talent system. I miss it deeply. :(\r
2. Actually agree with you here. Overhaul may not be the right word? I'm not very bright you see...I'm a fish. However I do think this new "pooling" system is better but that could just be me? I'd like to see more talents introduced though. The system is far from perfect although its' better than the 3 line tier system.\r
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4. PvP Specific azerite talents. Yay more unpredictable RNG elements. I have no strong opinion either way on this as of yet, I just hope it will be balanced better than some artifact traits were. (We saw Destro locks have nerfs to their traits in the final season of a 7 season expansion, 2 years after introduction.) This is hardly some piece of content that PvPers were screaming for, unsure as to why you would include it in a list of \r
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Agree again with most of what you say. Although it's still technically something they are doing for PvP which is why it was included in my list. \r
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5. Warfronts, Yeah literally nothing to do with pvp in the slightest, no cross faction element, fighting alongside other allied players, fighting NPCs. You weakened your own arguments adding something like this to your very basic rebuttal of Xalea.\r
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Warfronts are cool Ok. You leave warfronts alone!\r
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6. I assume you're referring to the bounty system, a feature I am looking forward to, however, this again has nothing to do with RATED PvP. (Again dont forget, I will enjoy this feature as someone who considers themselves first and foremost a pvper, however it's not something I or the wider community asked for, nor should it be included as a point to prove the Development team has worked hard to give new content for pvpers. \r
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I'll give you a hint, PvPer's are a simple bunch, they want a balanced PvP meta, with the ability to create, play (and perform well without being behind gear\/AP wise) on alts and various compositions. Had you argued the Development team had made moves to address these issues, you might have been heading in the right direction.\r
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1. You're right. It has nothing to do with Rated PvP but once again ShOw mE wHeRe hE sAiD rAtEd pVp tHoUgH. I'm glad you look forward to it! It's a huge deal for avid fans of world pvp. I'll be spending the majority of my downtime looking for those epic world battles i hope to see you out there. We may not have asked for it but I'm so glad we got it.\r
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2. Agree? I wasn't arguing for the devs improving on existing issues. I was arguing for new PvP aspects of the game so not sure why i would mention balance or alt friendly PvP. \r
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Now this next part, is what inspired me to make this post, despite it being as lengthy as it has become.\r
Nothing Xalea said was wrong, out of line or flippant\/trolling.\r
They want the option to create max level characters to accurately test PvP, something that is possible on PTR servers, why not Beta? Leaving it this late can mean horrible bugs make it into live and hugely affect rated PvP.\r
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But the Crux of the issue is, your attitude absolutely stinks, you clearly disagree with Xalea's assertions and so you provide utterly refutable claims and then stoop as low as to state he is "complaining for complaining's sake"\r
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I would argue you don't know what you're talking about and the next point shows that to me. \r
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What? I've had a maxed character on beta for at least 8 weeks. \r
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Seems to me that you're just complaining so you can fulfill your daily "I need to complain about things" quota for the day.\r
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FYI, the beta was released on the 24th April 2018, 6 weeks 2 days ago. Don't lie to give credence to your point, who are you Donald Trump?\r
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And yeah, is it wrong to not want top spoil the leveling experience for yourself, or to simply skip it as you want to test max lvl pvp situations, which leveling has no relevance to.\r
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Think before you speak.\r
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Edit: Fiiish is probably a troll (Fresh Acc 1h20 min old) but I enjoyed writing this so no worries.\r
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Ok this made me laugh. So i actually misread what Xalea was saying as "we are unable to get to max right now" and after i reread it i actually realised that Xalea wanted the ability to create max level characters. Which I am all for. BUT i left it in there anyway. Because you're right..kind of...i have trollish tendancies.\r
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As for the "complaining for complainings sake" people complain about every. little. thing. The WoW community as a whole is extremely whiny. Check the facebook comments as a prime example. Nothing but crying. Check the forums. Look anywhere and it's vastly negative. I'm just sick and tired of it and make no apologies for calling people out on their whiny posts. I'm all for negative feed back if it's warranted but a lot of the time it's just people "complaining for complainants sake".\r
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I enjoyed reading your post. You had a lot of good points although I think you honed in on "Rated" PvP a little too much as that's not exactly what everyone wants. I do rated PvP to test my skill but that's not where i have the most fun.. It's the non rated PvP and the chaotic nature of world PvP that really lights my fire for PvP. And i know a lot of other players feel the same. Just because it's not rated doesn't mean it's not valid. It's part of the wow experience.

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