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Comentado por 375923

This is the Allience version of the Horde's Edge of Agony

Comentado por 311173

Seeing as how there is a horde version as well, is this attained via seals of the champion?

Comentado por CNH923

It would be better if it was Blue rather than green...

Comentado por 259362

/agree with the poster above me. Since when did green become the signature color of humans? It's been blue (a far more attractive color imo) for as long as I can remember...

Comentado por tehretn00b

I agree that blue is usually more alliance-ish. However, green has always been a color associated with Hunters. The original "blue-level" pvp gear was green. A lot of the arena sets for hunters have been green as well. This sword is really more suited for hunters than the big 2-hander melee classes anyway.

Comentado por 186945

regardless of the color I think this is the nicest looking sword model I've seen in a while, its a real shame it has agility instead of strength, and haste instead of something more useful to most duel-wielding melee classes.

Comentado por 148063

Right, but this one can be obtained in a 10 man. Comparable weapons come from Ulduar 25 or Ulduar 10 hard modes. This weapon has the potential to be an easier to obtain upgrade for lots of people - so if it comes down to a warrior/DK/pally upgrading over an ilevel 213 or 219 or a hunter upgrading similarly, this really belongs in the hand of the melee dps.

Comentado por 405009

The only colour that pleases humans is purple.

Comentado por KainDarkfire

They started the Alliance back when it was just Humans of different kingdoms, (slightly) later on they included the High Elves, Dwarves, and Gnomes.

However, the color confuses me too, as it definately has the lion head of Stormwind.

Comentado por Ubran

I've seen long swords bigger than that.. I seriously think it's a glorified dagger.. Wait, can't rogues use daggers? hmmmmmm delicious pictures of gnome rogues running around with 2hswords

Comentado por 228776

Drops from 10man ToC Normal, Twin Val'kyr.

Comentado por 447290

just picked it up on my DK. upgraded from Ironsoul. Pretty sick wep imo

Comentado por monteverdi

Picked it up on my Deathknight (Blood Tank) tonight, and I gotta say I'm pretty stoked. Upgrade over Death's Bite (I know... I had EXTREMELY bad luck with weapon upgrades) and the only Hunter in the group made no attempt to claim it as Hunter only weapon. Nice avoidance and threat upgrade, a great item all around. (though, like everyone else, I too wish it was blue)

Comentado por Random771452

BoH isn't *as* suited to hunters as this weapon on account of BoH has 226 AP which is 113 str, about typical for a 226 ilvl weapon *intended* for plate heads. This weapon here is 183 AP, 91.5 str for a plate class, and has gobs of agility, which is, go figure AP for hunters. So how the hell do you reason Reckoning to *not* be a hunter weapon when a similar ilvl weapon, Aesir's Edge, is clearly far better suited for plate classes that rely on strength for their scaling AP as opposed to agility? BoH should've been revised, and given 113 str and additional crit rating equivalent to the agility it offers, which is much lower than other 226 ilvl weapons intended for hunters to use. Ofc some useless fury warrior will figure this weapon is better suited in their OH rather than as a MH for a hunter (or anyone else for that matter) once again denying superior classes a chance at a good weapon so they can grow their egos about their OH with titan's fail.
And anyone who feels XT "hardmode" to get their melee plate heads all rounded out with Aesir's edge is "too hard" won't make it in CoC.

Comentado por Daystar

This is obviously something that's debated endlessly, but as someone with an 80 hunter, feral druid and DK, this is how I see agility weapons going in priority: melee agility users first, hunters second, melee strength users third. So an agi sword or staff should go to rogues and ferals instead of hunters first, because they are agility users and melee, but an agility sword or polearm should go to hunters first instead of warriors or death knights, because otherwise there is no such thing as a "hunter melee weapon."

In fact, the only melee weapon that hunters can specifically get made for them is two-handed swords with agility, because it's the only weapon that no other agility class uses. Two handed maces, swords, polearms and axes with strength on them are all useless to hunters, and polearms and staves should go to feral druids first. Just as hunters have priority on ranged weapons, the exception is ranged weapons with strength on them, like the guns in Ulduar. Those go to warriors first, and melee weapons with agi should be the exception that goes to hunters first.

Comentado por 282564

because otherwise there is no such thing as a "hunter melee weapon."

There is no such thing as a hunter melee weapon. That's why you shoot things.

Comentado por Warhawk99

There is a noticeable bias for Stormwind and Orgrimmar. Most of the Horde variations of the Trial weapons have the symbol of Orgrimmar, commonly confused with the Horde symbol. The Alliance variations have the symbol of Stormwind.

P.S. Humans are definitely the Alliance's focal race

Comentado por Warhawk99

not really... Instead of having crit rating it has agility, and instead of strength it has attack power. they're interchangeable stats, really. Either way, the armor penetration and haste are more suited for DPS warriors and Hunters

Comentado por CNH923

But remember that 2h using classes have STR increasing talents and would benefit more with a 2h with str.

Comentado por Philturama

Just Picked this Up last night.. Upgraded it from Edge, Very good In My Opinion

Comentado por 180488

However you slice it, the itemisation of this sword favors hunters over plate, same as any other Agi/AP weapon has itemisation which favors hunters over plate. That said, plate requires good melee weapons a lot more than hunters, who just need a stat stick*. Make of this what you will, but remember that the biggest upgrade tends to benefit the raid most, and always keep on the lookout for near alternatives.

*regardless of statstick nature, hunters should max their weapon skills so that on the rare circumstances you find yourself in melee range, you can make those one or two swings count rather than miss while you regain proper distance.

Comentado por 84257

Although the above comments are valid in regards to this being nice for hunters, this is an extremely big upgrade over Ulduar 10-Man Weapons except for the two hard mode swords.

This sword is currently ranked 4th best in slot for retribution paladins who are only capable of doing 10-Man Raid Content.

The other 3 eclipsing this sword are the following;

1st BiS - Heroic
2nd BiS - Heroic
3rd BiS - Heroic

I rolled off against a guild hunter for this, he picked up later. The lack of crit hurts, but the pure weapon damage cannot be ignored.

Comentado por 463321

Well first off, this is an awesome weapon for hunters, warriors, DK's, and Pally's. Although it is better itemized for a hunter, it is still a very nice sword non the less.

Now lets get on with some of the ever so wrong comments made about the stats. Not all dps warriors want haste. With the new buff to sword spec swords are now a viable option for arms warriors. However the comment that DPS warriors gain from haste is incorrect. Too much haste on an arms warrior will screw up our Slam timer, resulting in lost dps.
Secondly while all 2H melee classes do have a str boost talent, some are lack luster and leaves AP still almost equal. Arms warriors get a mere 4% boost to Str, not what we could call desirable. So that is why so much of our BiS gear is mail, and leather. Because the str means next to nothing for us.

Comentado por 47990

I got this last night. The DPS DK rolled a 7 and I rolled an 8 (lol). I am a fury war, and I will admit, if a hunter wanted to roll on it I probably would have passed (because of the +agi and +ap, as opposed to +str on most other 2 handers). But no hunter, so I took the loot.

However, I like to point out, that this weapon is a significant upgrade for almost anyone that can use it. Yes, I think it is best suited for hunters, but it is also a great upgrade for melee DPS from:

Abaddon, Ironsoul, Edge of Insanity, and Stormedge - so it shouldnt be completely out of the question that melee take this as well.

Comentado por 479284

This sword is superior to most Ulduar weapons, with the exception of Voldrethar and Aesir's Edge (Imo). The sword is a very beautiful piece by Blizzard, and it goes especially well with the plate tier 9 pieces.

And I must say.... The Reckoning has begun.

Comentado por 481181

Definitely try to get this on Heroic, much better damage if your an arms warrior, while the haste is good, and the armor penetration is a bit harder to stack than attack power, it's still one of the best weps out there for a warrior.

"F*** IT'S NOT DROPPING GUYS"

Comentado por 486370

I was scared to even read thru the comments, I knew for sure there would be some crying DK's, screaming Pally's or Can't tank Warriors in here because they lost the roll to a Hunter.

I led a lot of PuG's including 10 ToC, had a Guildie DPS Warr Avg 6k DPS with her dual 2H's and we PuG'd a decent geared Hunter for specific reasons. While the guildie (&RL Friend) was debating side-grades-minor upgrades to her http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45233], the Hunter Politely spoke up and asked permission to roll for it & it was unanimous to give it to her, It is a legitamate upgrade "Stat-Stick" for a Hunter and about the best in the i-232 category for people without the hours & hours of time for 25 Uldy. The Warr would definately had priority over it IF it was a legit upgrade.

Then she feels comfortable raiding with us, knocking off our weekly 25 VoA and a really annoying DK started a heated debate in raid chat about how she ninja'd it from a DK, it's a DK only Item, She should be emabrrased to use it and go vendor it, Not a Hunter item, Blah Blah Blah, you know the type. I finally had to kick him out of the raid after multiple warnings to chill. Then he threatens me that he'll hack my account and get me banned, blah blah blah... and People wander why I don't bring non-guildie/trusted DK's to raids...

I have a Hunter, Prot Pally, Bear/Tree Druid all over 2500gs, I've gone thru the painful gearing process for 4 sets of gear, EVERY item introduced in the game is suited for another class also, Upgrades are Upgrades. Rogue>Hunter for 1h's Druid>Hunter for Staves/Polarms depending on Druid Spec, Druid/Lock/Mage/Priest>Shammy for Staves etc etc etc... the type weapons Hunter>Rogue/Warr are most ranged weapons except for a few with Str in Uldy, but even then, it's a shared class item.

C'mon guy, play nice & share, it's a buncha pixels, I promise it's not the ONLY 1 in game that will EVER drop... try again next week... if it was a Class Specific item, it would say so in the itemization (See VoA Gear), otherwise legit upgrade is a Legit upgrade... If your still fuming by this point, lemme break it down Stormrune vs. Reckoning +0.10 Slower, +000.1 more DPS, -9 AGI, -28 Stam, -86 Crit, + Blue Socket (useless, wish was Red), +62 Haste, +23 Attack power & +16 Armor Pen. On top of all that, then you have to shell out another 500-800+g (lotsa variables here) for another Beserker or Massacre enchant...

and if your still agitated, angry and mad at this point, your taking the game WAY too serious and need to get out more.

Thanks Hrolfnor, you seem and sound like an intelligent responsible DPS Warrior

Comentado por 486370

staves and polearms, especially since 2handed swords and axes are completely off-limits for us, even when they're given hunter stats.

Well, Sorta... Staves/Polearms after the Druids, 2H Swords & Axes after Warr's, Ret's and DK's get them, we get leftovers. Just like 1h's, leftovers from the Rogues, Rare DW DK's and Enh Shammies... This is among many Items that I like to call "Stat-Sticks"

Comentado por 148286

If your like me (Fury Warrior) and have poor luck with drops, and raid attendance, this is an upgrade over Edge of Ruin to be sure. Though it does have AP and Agility based stats, its superior to EoR for a Fury Warrior.

A Strength based weapon is the more wanted, and I would prefer one, but if you have access to this as opposed to an Edge of Ruin or probably anything out of early non hard mode Uldar, I would venture to say most DK's would also.

That being said, a hunter would do well with this, but hunters shouldn't be suprised by a Fury Warrior or a DK rolling on this if they have one of most 219 level weapons.

Comentado por 71402

Always amuses me seeing hunter vs melee 2h discussions. The day I see a hunter pass on a hypothetical high item level crossbow just because it has strength is the day I will ever feel the slightest bit of remorse for rolling on these types of weapons against hunters.

A 232 weapon itemized optimally for hunters will still be more damage for a war/dk/pal than a 219 itemized optimally for strength dps. It's a 57-85 base damage upgrade. To get that much of an impact would require a 228-340 ap upgrade to match. The slight loss of overall ap from str -> ap + agi conversion doesn't make up for it.

Comentado por 566898

tell me if im wrong, if you compare the looks, edge of agony is a reason to reroll horde right? :)

Comentado por childofnewlight

Same old discussion you always see. Druids complaining that hunters are rolling on polearms, mages upset that that paladin healers are rolling on spellpower swords, and hunters complaining melee are rolling on swords like these.

The fact of the matter is, this is a decent sword for anyone. Any time a weapon drops and almost any time more than one person rolls it will be a bigger upgrade to one over another. That being said this sword is suitable for both hunters and plate melee. Attack Power, although sub-ideal to Strength, is still a very useful stat to a Paladin/DK/Warrior.

You can argue until you're blue that since it has agility it should only go to hunters, but in a raid environment with numerous people vying for gear its rarely going to happen that you're given exclusive rights to a weapon that is a substantial and worthy upgrade for someone else.

Does it reasonably work for a melee? Of course it does. Its not like a strength weapon on a hunter who gains absolutely nothing from strength. Melee DOES benefit from attack power (hence why Battle Shout and Blessing of Might provide AP increases not solely strength).

The day of exclusive drops has long ended. Numerous classes and specs now share itemization with other specs that in WoW past never happened. Get over it.

Comentado por 585917

This would actually look cool with a set of Green Iron Armor. If you want to rp as a green knight with a big green sword.

Comentado por Xalden

The first sword i morphed all the way in Fable 3 looked EXACTLY like this. (instead of a small lion symbol it was a big balverine head)

Comentado por Alonei

In the icon the Sword is blue, as it should be. Yet we get a green sword? Come on.

Comentado por Sanryo

Commander Marcus Johnson wields this sword.

Comentado por Xeroyk

If only it was blue and gold, like most of my set it would be anti-belf, God when I see them in a transmog it just ruins it.

Comentado por 1107695

I could've sworn the sword used to be gold and blue...

Comentado por unholy17

if this image doesn't make you think the sword is cool, then nothing will

http://media.blizzard.com/wow/media/fanart/fanart-0728-large.jpg

Comentado por Isorukinuta

You know, people can complain about the color all they want. I, for one, love using this sword with just about any PaladIn set, especially the Turalyon gear

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