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Comentado por mak484

I have broken down all of the current masteries into two categories: unique, interesting masteries and flat bonus masteries.

Unique, interesting masteries:

Flat bonus masteries:

Why this mastery needs to be more interesting (tldr: it's boring and should be made fun, like Blizzard promised)
Blizzard’s main reasoning behind the recent talent changes was to eliminate the ‘boring’ talents that, for example, only increased damage by x%. The mastery system was supposed to provide each spec with a fun, unique mechanic that would replace some of the boring talents while still providing a damage increase. I feel that Blizzard dropped the ball on this entire system. As you can see, only half of the existing specs got ‘interesting’ mastery mechanisms; the rest still only increase the effectiveness of certain abilities by x%. In the end, all of the masteries provide the exact same amount of increase (in theory), but I think for the amount of money we are all paying them, Blizzard should give all specs interesting mechanisms.

Comentado por Meggie

A rather marginal mastery, for solo PvE at least.

Comentado por 440499

and the effectiveness of your Slice and Dice and Recuperate abilities, by 20%.

The last comma shouldn't be there, I don't know if it's wowhead's mistake or blizzards.

Comentado por 115475

each point of mastery increases dmg by 2.5%?

So is that each talent point i spend in subt my overall dmg is increased by 2.5%?

Or just my finishing moves or what?

Comentado por PsyKzz

It should be there as it completes a complex scentence.
A comma in that instance means that the text between commas could be removed and scentence will still be legible.

For example - this works.

Increases the damage done by all your finishing moves by 16%. Each point of Mastery increases damage by an additional 2.0%.

This also works.

Increases the damage done by all your finishing moves, and the effectiveness of your Slice and Dice and Recuperate abilities, by 16%. Each point of Mastery increases damage by an additional 2.0%.

Its just there to show the additional bonus of SnD and Recup. Which happen to also be 16%.

Comentado por hitenmaster

Does anyone know exactly what the increases to "the effectiveness of your Slice and Dice and Recuperate abilities" is? Is it talking about it acting like there's 16% extra combo points? 16% extra time? 16% extra healing on recup and 16% extra speed on SnD?

Comentado por 699804

Blah,
They just took out the bonus to recuperate. According to recount its my most frequent finishing move - mostly because when a fight is over, there's nothing else to use the combo points on, but still.

Our master just became that much more useless.

Comentado por 650556

The base mastery and %-per-point was buffed in 4.0.6, and SnD now increases energy regeneration (perhaps a bug). These two factors greatly increase the potency of mastery, as it increases both damage and rotation sustainability. The SnD component of mastery is still weaker than straight up haste, and the numbers have yet to be crunched, but there is a good chance that mastery will be a pretty valuable stat.

Comentado por 806243

y did they give sub a good mastery sub blows they need to give the combat mastery to sub and the sub mastery to combat that way a good mastery is not just siting there and not being used

Comentado por cheetah92

Can someone please explain us what is "effective" ?

Comentado por parazyte

This is actually a great Mastery. In a Subtlety Rogue rotation the finishers that should be used are Rupture, SnD & Eviscerate (and Recuperate of course, not affected by this mastery any more).

This mastery is as we all know increasing the damage of each finisher above by 20% + n*2,5% - this is pretty awesome! A sub rogue with normal HC gear will have around 12 mastery thus a whopping 50% in damage output of Rupture & Eviscerate and a SnD that increases melee attack speed by 60% instead of 40% which means your white damage is ALSO increased by 50% - as long as you keep SnD up that is!

It is a complex rotation and requires preparation, i e it only works on bosses not trash basically but you will put up a competitive DPS in PVE under favorable circumstances with a Sub Rogue and this mastery.

I suggest looking on Elitist Jerks in the Rogue forums for more information on raiding as Subtlety: Omniwank has done an amazing job which has helped me a lot.

Comentado por cheetah92

Where can i find an offical description ?

Comentado por Ahmi

A sub rogue with normal HC gear will have around 12 mastery

Nope, more like 9 or 10 since a sub rogue is going to reforge all the mastery to more useful stats, like haste, hit or crit.
For example shadowcraft says that for my subtlety rogue (T12):
Haste Rating - 1.48
Crit Rating - 1.39
Mastery Rating - 0.83
And it's not too different for lower/higher levels of gear.
So yeah, it's actually a really weak mastery, because of lame scaling (you can compare it to assassination's mastery, which has both higher scaling and affects a bigger part of dps, since poisons do about 30% or more of assassination's damage, and counts envenom as a poison as well).

and a SnD that increases melee attack speed by 60% instead of 40% which means your white damage is ALSO increased by 50%

That is incorrect. I'll use an example to make it more simple.
Let's assume you do 100 dps using just auto-attacks without SnD.
Then, using SnD, it's 140 dps without mastery, and 160 dps with mastery. There's a 20 dps difference, which is nowhere near 50%.

Comentado por 193457

Can someone please explain us what is "effective" ?

Actually that is a good question.

Executioner doesn't turn out to be what you might have been expecting.
Instead of increasing your SnD by a full 20% to a total of 60%, it increases its effectiveness by 20%, which turns out to be only a 40% * 20% = 8% increase in SnD's haste.
Thus it only gives a 48% attack speed modifier instead of the supposed 60%.

Each point of mastery then adds another 2.5% to that effectiveness, which turns out to be an exact 1% increase in the attack speed value (40% * (20% + 2.5%) = 9% increase, 1% more than the original value).

Therefore, in terms of attack speed, 1 point of mastery equals 1% of haste. Only that the rating required for 1 point in mastery is higher than the one for haste (179.28004 vs. 128.05716 at level 85).

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