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Comentado por Boshnak

This is absolutely awesome. I'm very happy they are bringing this back, in the form of a tinker nonetheless! :) 10 minute cooldown, requires Master Engineer and also provides a passive +45 stam in addition to its ability. It also makes your helm really erm, stand out.. I'll post a screenshot as soon as I can.

Comentado por 415806

I don't think I enjoy the idea of my helm's model changing so I can mind control people every 10 minutes.
So im sure it has the same limitations as a priest's Mind control, no mind controlling raid bosses.

:(

Comentado por greystoker

Can someone tell me if the helm still shows if you've chosen to NOT display your helm in the game options?

Comentado por 368647

I'm not real ecstatic that it changed the model of your helm... I hope this is changed.

Comentado por 268335

Is this enchant permament?
It says Dismantle and reassembles, so can you Remove the enchant and reaply the same thing on the helm all the time you want? or it is permament and can be only overwritten by a new enchant?

Comentado por 54514

Two questions regarding this head enchant:

1) Does it have a cast time? If so, how long?

2) Does the mind-controlled target become a guardian (uncontrollable but friendly and set to "defensive") a pet (a la Hunter or Warlock, and thus replacing a current pet) or mind controlled (relinquishing control of your character to take control of the target.)

As a hunter you currently can NOT Eyes of the Beast the MC'ed person to take direct control of them

That comment makes me inclined to believe it does not function as a Mind Control spell, despite the wording.

If they despawn your current pet this will be less than stellar for a Warlock or Hunter.

I'm hoping it makes them a friendly "Guardian". Anyone know for sure?

Comentado por behemoth1979

Note this tinker cannot be applied to the crafted epic goggles,

Because they already have a useless on activated ability (look far into the distance) BOOOOOO!

Comentado por 319330

where do you get the schemetic?

Comentado por 313118

Marvellous, just marvellous.... A patch where Blizzard finally seems to have decided to make engineering a more attractive profession, they give us a really cool head enchant, and what's the one type of helm they decide to make it impossible to use it on? The ENGINEERING helms! Common sense 1, Blizz 0 ;-(

Comentado por 42935

When you use this item, one of 4 things can happen...

It succeeds almost instantly.
It fails almost instantly.
It backfires and your character becomes mind controlled
A purple beam links you to your target, engaging in a "mental battle". This always seems to end in a draw, with neither you or the target gaining control.

If successful against an NPC target, you'll get get a standard pet bar and gain access to the NPC's abilities. If it's an enemy player, telling it to Attack a target will cause the player to start using his abilities at random.

Super fun to start large pulls with, or to make warlocks kill their own pets!

Comentado por Andie39

Had some fun in Ulduar today with this I MC'ed one of the patrolling trash mobs to Thorim and engaged the other with my new pet, the raid was confused as to what was happening. In the end the tanks still needed to pick them up but it was fun. Oh and Ice Block helped when they both ran for me ;-p

Comentado por Larrythebomb5001

sigh i wish they would make this more usefull for hunters such as myself... need to make it so it dismisses your pet for u and than takes control, otherwise its pretty darn cool.

Comentado por 437822

The fact that that silly looking hat cannot be hidden like any other head item is an outrage and makes me regret that i ever used the damn thing!

Comentado por 437866

Does anybody know if it can be used in the Instructor Razz fight in Naxx?

Comentado por 59697

Does this overwrite the other helm enchants or is it in addition?

Comentado por Andx

This thing rocks, no question about it!

When you use it, there is a chance that one of four things will happen (as Stupiful said)

Most of the time, it seems like it succeeds at controlling your target!
When you control anyone, who is a player controlled target, you'll get the ability to use anyone of his abilities randomly. When you press attack with, i.e. A mage, you have a chance of using any of his abilities.

I was fighting two hordes, a mage and a rogue, I mind-controlled the mage, and pressed attack. He ran towards the rogue, as he passed by me, he buffed me with his Arcane intellect. Then he Pom-pyro'ed the rogue, I had a great laugh! :D

This thing rock, and I use it EVERYTIME it's off cooldown! :D

Edit: Spelling

Comentado por parl2001

flying players are generally immune (unless right on the ground?)

Comentado por 54811

As a pve note. It works just fine in the Thorim 25-man Ulduar fight to MC Warbringers. I use this chant rather than a stam def helm enchant as im way over def cap and this has more stam. A simple /tar and /use macro and i was having a warbringer killing off the adds in arena portion just fine. As well during the duration your raid will (as mine did) receive the Aura of Celerity buff as long as you have him as a pet. No priest has to bother, though it is far more temporary. It has some minimal use as a quick mini heroism. Also I had zero Failures on each MC attempt and did it several times now. Also worked on the evokers. Although they are less usefull.

Comentado por kessmalit

for me 4 things have happened

it works
it fails
it backfires and enemy controls you
you shoot a purple beam at the enemy and go into "mental combat" basically puts you in a channel and the enemy into a long incapacitate

also gives you a "dullard" debuff if you lose

Comentado por 178572

Hmm, was excited for this, but glad I didn't use it now. Ugly and no way around it, and you don't control it like the old MC helm. Pretty much is a waste of everything.

Comentado por 140374

Maybe a stupid question, but does this tinker count as the helm's enchant slot?

Comentado por Zelspawn

Can a non-engineer benefit from the passive 45 stamina?

Comentado por 415042

I was really disappointed to see that you cant tinker your http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42549 with this. I'd much rather have this than "Look far into the distance" =(

Comentado por 442027

This tinker is quite sad when put in the hands of a pet class. You have to disable your pet to be able to use it.

To disable your pet and use this tinker, however, press this macro:

#showtooltip Furious Gladiator's Felweave Cowl
/script PetDismiss()
/use Furious Gladiator's Felweave Cowl

Ofc, you need to replace the cowl with your helmet.

Comentado por taurenmoo812

Another factor not mentioned about it is this 'buff' will not be able to apply to a helm that already has a right click ability, like the epic engineering goggles with there far sight ability.
I was really &*!@ed off when I found this out as it would be a dam sight better for leveling my rogue with this, and fun in pvp, and I don't want to have to settle for a crappy blue helm until I get to lv80.

Comentado por 108399

I just made this today, as a lv74 mindcontrolling a 80 ret paladin with conquer gear and 3 shooting a 78 warlock in AV surely made me smile, this is a MUST have item for any engineer!

Comentado por Sash

Two questions;

A) Can you put it on the old Gnomish Mind Control Cap?

B) If you ut it on a helm and overwrite it, does the new graphic stay?

Comentado por Nees

Been having some fun with it now, using it on both players and npc's.
Players seem to be able to trinket out of it, that's a shame.
I've found it useful to cap the SP aid station gy in AV; use one of the elite npc's to attack the guards and cap the gy yourself.
Though all in all I don't think I'll be using it for anything really significant. Just for some laughs I guess :)

edit: more weird stuff. I tried using it on an NPC in AV and it backfired. I started attacking my own raid members. When the effect was gone, the NPC turned gray, as if someone else tagged it.

Comentado por 232030

This. Tinker. Looks. COOL.

To all those who never played pvp at 60 with a classic mind control cap and think this tinker looks dumb: Phooey on you!

(inc super downrating)

Comentado por MoonLite

A few ideas to put it on:
Green Winter Hat (tailoring)
Red Winter Hat (tailoring)
Brown Brewfest Hat (seasonal)
Violet Hat (55g ,but bought easily in Dalaran)
Lucky Fishing Hat (fishing contest)
they have recognisable icons, easy to notice in todays large bags, plus you might be carrying them around anyway in a vanity corner

I guess you could use them on spiffy items aswell, but who'd want to ruin the good looks?
i.e. Chef's Hat, Haliscan Brimmed Hat, Battered Jungle Hat

also, if you still have it Party Hat Mistake is appropriate (mail) ;)

Comentado por Perrycox

I don't know why everyone is complaining about the appearances. I got it because it has more stam than Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector, and I don't need the defense since I have Repelling Charge.

Some people ask me about my helm, but pretty much everyone thinks it's awesome. And I agree.

Comentado por 232030

From the patch notes:

World of Warcraft PTR Patch 3.2.2

Engineering

* The Mind Amplification Dish no longer changes the appearance of your helmet.

Comentado por Aidsphish

Not usable in arena T-T

Comentado por 121611

No longer changes the graphic your helm as of patch 3.2.2.

source: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/#3.2.2

Comentado por 461365

First use....backfire! kthxbliz!

/fail

Comentado por MelTorefas

I have found that this enhancement actually shines the most as a tank. Charge in, MC one of the enemies, let it help you DPS while you tank. When the MC wears off you've got a good bit of hate on the mob so it will focus on you. Plus, 45stam is better than the rep tanking enchant if you are defense capped otherwise. All in all a very nice engineering/tank perk, especially now that it doesn't change the helm graphic.

Caveat: Assuming it works. Otherwise... heh. Tired brain is slow.

Random thought: be cool if Engineers got some (definitely expensive) thing they could apply that would make it so the device/item it was applied to lost its backfire/fail chance. Some sort of unique upgrade so that you'd have to pick a single item at any given time to have that "failsafe" on. With maybe iLevel/other reqs or something.

Comentado por 312797

This does not work on the faction champion's fight in Trial of the Crusader.

Comentado por Axier

Now no longer changes the appearance of the helm itself. Meaning you can still look epic, and mind control too!

Comentado por 57798

So just wondering...
Do MC'd player take falling damage?
Like say for example, if I MC'd someone and we both ran off a cliff...
while I parachute down.

Comentado por guntitan

Can you tinker it to Gnomish X-Ray Specs? You could make the Night Elf ladies dance...

Comentado por 378995

THIS IS AN AMAZING TINKER FOR HUNTERS!
I was in storm peaks when suddendly a paladin attacked me, first reaction was to whip out frost trap/disengage. Paladin trinkets out and comes at me i sart kiting him he freedoms blablabla you know the drill. He get close gets a hit and gets mind controlled. He must have wondered what the *!@# was going on since when you mind control a other character he uses random abilities when you press attack. So I spam attack, he uses BoP on me, throws me a heal and he then bubbled out of my MC 5 sec before it broke. I am not sure if he bubbled or if the attack button made him bubble but in any case many of his CD's were off and i then proceeded to kite him down. It made my day. All this to say that it completely kills melee mobs with CD's like rogues and paladins, I wonder if CoS would break the effect?

Comentado por ziraija

just to add one thing about the Mental Battle. Its actually quiet usefull, you cant trinket out from it. Nothing is gonna prevent others from killing your target while you channel it since it dosnt break from damage (well paladins and their bubble can get out from it but they would just waste it).

Comentado por Chronalis

Mind Amplification Dish
M.A.D.

Not a coincidence

Comentado por 434559

Can This Effect be used in Arena?

Comentado por Kaitain

For use in BGs:

As mentioned above you can control an enemy player near a cliff, jump off and use your parachute. When your controlled player first walks over the cliff to follow you he will behave like NPCs sometimes do on cliffs, sticking to the cliff in a buggy looking way. As you fall away the enemy player will go out of range and become hostile again, no longer behave like an NPC, and fall to their deaths.

It's possible that a warlock could do this then teleport back onto the cliff as soon as the target goes hostile again and falls down, but my warlock is not an engineer so I can't try it.

Rogues and Druids can restealth while the target is controlled. This is particularly useful for Feral druids who can get very valuable control from being about to re-use Pounce in combat as it is not on the same DR as their other stuns. Rogues will also benefit from a free Cheap Shot in this way, but rogues have Vanish where ferals don't.

Similarly, you will go out of combat and can get in a few drink ticks while they are controlled, provided you are ready to deal with the situation as soon as the control breaks.

If you have DoTted the target before you mind control them, they continue to take damage when friendly. As such it is very useful for classes with powerful DoTs. You can essentially control someone to death if you DoT them up at medium low HP then control them and watch the DoTs tick.

Comentado por 240210

hi all

why can i not use this on my are it not stack with the meta/color gems? pls help me

and ty for all

Take care :)

Comentado por unclevinny

I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but as a warlock, if I try to use this while I have a pet summoned, it says "You already have a pet", and won't let me MC.

Comentado por Delvara

In a WSG match, I epic won with this.

I 'MC' the Flag Carrier.

He had a disc priest healing him.

They penance'd them to death!

Comentado por 258622

It Appears the Mind control leaves the enemies with pretty decent A.I. I used it on a ret paladin who was playing bodyguard for a squishy Hunter and shaman, he popped wings and just destroyed the 2 of them, was really amusing to watch.

Comentado por 551248

I guess this does not work in the Arena?

Comentado por 463376

After thinking on it a while, and disgusted that I won't be able to use this on my epic engineering goggles, I decided to put it on my Deepdive Helmet. Easy to spot in my bag, I keep it anyway as it still comes in handy so it's not taking up an extra slot and makes that helm 50stam so I don't drop a bunch of stam when I'm using it.

Comentado por 548002

PVP utility aside, this is also a nice tanking enchant. Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44150) is often regarded as the ONLY option for a tank's head enchant, but, frankly, once your stats are up, that 20 defense rating is nothing thanks to diminishing returns. I'll take the extra stamina from the Dish, thanks...even a marginal improvement is an improvement.

Comentado por ivantz

I guess it can´t be applied to anyone else, so why it says it requires 350 engineering, while you can´t learn it until 410, or can it be enhanced to somebody else helmet?

Comentado por Xirobe

I have 2 questions about this:

1. Is there a way to end the effect early, rather than waiting for time to runout?

2. Does it stack with the head enchants from rep? I'm guessing not.

Comentado por Derren

are druids immune to it/backfire? I know in the past with the old mind control cap you were immune in forms if it backfire

Comentado por 476166

"3. seems Pallys can bubble out of this? Or does it have a hugely reduced duration and/or chance to succeed in BGs?"

Pallys can bubble out of it, since Divine Shield behaves like a trinket on use (trinkets can break MC as well).

"are druids immune to it/backfire"

It affects Druids just as well as it affects other classes. This isn't a form of Polymorph, it's a CC.

As for the people replacing the rep tank enchant with this, the rep enchant gives 20 additional defense rating, which adds to your avoidance even if you're crit-capped (defense-capped means crit capped -- mobs can't crit you anymore; but it doesn't mean defense does any less in terms of reducing damage). The MAD adds 8 additional Stamina, which increases when you get hit with Blessing of Kings or Sanc.

If you're wondering which would be more useful, it depends on your tank style really. If you're a tank who prefers avoidance, go for the rep enchant; if you want to soak more damage, use this. The MC ability is a bonus and nothing more.

EDIT: Let me know why you're downranking please? I haven't stated any incorrect information.

Comentado por parl2001

Some issues:

Don't use it on paladins - they will just bubble.
You can trinket out of it afaik.
Backfire can be useful sometimes, as seen in Unmercey 8 pvp video (?).
I use it extensively in BGs as a feral - and have never seen it backfire on me while in form. In fact, I've never seen it backfire ...probably since I'm almost 99% of the time in form.

SOMETHING is causing a 20second cooldown on this. Investigating now.

EDIT: Platinum Disks of Battle

Other trinkets ...dunno.

EDIT 2: Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket causes a 10-second cd. Weird.

Comentado por 333659

Can this item be sold on the AH?

Comentado por 291639

This is a great thing for any engineer. I had some pretty epic situations with this.
I was fighting ret paladin, then hunter comes in, they bring me down to 1k hp, and then I use mind control on pally and pop ice block. Pally pops wings, gives me 15k heal and then destroys hunter. I had a very good laugh that time :)

Comentado por RakkaKaze

The first couple patches when Ulduar was added, the first mobs after XT (humanoids and mechanical) were mind controllable. This made pulls a little too easy because it allowed pulls to be reduced by at least one.

Comentado por 177294

wish blizzard would make it so that hunters/locks could use this w/out first dismissing their own pet. It's not like having multiple pets is unheard of. Balance druids and enhancement shaman both have mechanics commonly used which allow a player to control multiple mobs. Back in the day, hunters could use mechanical dragonlings with their pet as well. It's not like we can send the MC'ed player to specific targets, anyway. I believe it's completely done with AI.

Comentado por 638360

Just MC'd Hogger. Felt like I had too much power than anyone should ever have.

Comentado por 625934

Anybody know if you can still Dark Pact players with this? The tooltip says "... of your summoned demons mana." so I'm thinking no, but one of the first posts mentions it and I don't see any comments about it since...

I could see using this to have some fun with a pally, just fear to get the trinket out of the way and then MC while trink is on CD and dark pact all the mana away... aaaand dead pally :P

Comentado por ZephyrC

Just for a quick reference, the +45 stamina bonus is being removed in 4.0.1. Darn it Blizzard :(.

Comentado por 263105

Expanding a bit on that comment;

instead of /use do /use 6 That will make you use your helmet regardless of which one your using. Which is handy so you wont have to re-write your macros every time you change helmets ( pve/pvp/upgrades )

This works for all slots, currently the slots are;

Ammo 0
Head 1
Neck 2
Shoulder 3
Shirt 4
Chest 5
Belt 6
Legs 7
Feet 8
Wrist 9
Gloves 10
Finger 1 (Top) 11
Finger 2 (Bottom) 12
Trinket 1 (Top) 13
Trinket 2 (Bottom) 14
Back 15
Main Hand 16
Off Hand 17
Ranged/Relic 18
Tabard 19

While only hands, boots, belt, cape and head are currently enchantable by engineers I thought I'd leave the complete list for future use

EDIT: updated slot to MoP, thanks cayleb.

Comentado por 223540

It seems that in Cata it will be attached to belt.

Comentado por Asclepius99

How long is the MC a pet under your control?

Comentado por 259313

Amusingly, it's possible to MC a player with this, wait until you drop out of combat, then mount up on a flying mount and fly off, which results in the player pursuing you on foot at your mounted movement speed.

Opens up all sorts of amusing ways to cause death, such as dragging them through dozens of aggressive creatures, making them run into an outpost of their own faction to be killed by guards, or having them follow you too far out into fatigue water for them to swim back to safety in time.

Comentado por 93072

For a tank engineer this is pretty amazing now since it stacks with the existing +stamina helm enchant.

+82 stamina from enchants on my helm? amazinnnnng.

Comentado por dehve

As of 4.0.3a, the Mind Amplification Dish, along with the Nitro Boost tinker that was formerly attached to the boots are both now attached to the belt instead. Which makes me a sad panda. :(

Comentado por Napkyn

God dammit Blizz, why'd you move a MIND amplification disc to your BELT? >.>

Comentado por Vath

Where was this in the patch notes? Oh, right...

Comentado por Ristaina

Probably my favorite enchant for cata simply because it doesn't have horrendous consequences.

Worst case is you get MC'd and then aoe'd down by your allies >.>

Just watch out for tremor totem because I'd imagine the mind control would be removed.

Comentado por Prunella

What I haven't seen mentioned anywhere here is HOW LONG does the MC last?
I heard talk of 10 secs I heard talk of 20 secs but nothing clear.

Comentado por 274740

Faster cast than priests' Mind Control plus it's not as limited by level difference - just MC'ed a level 85 with my level 80.

Comentado por 340239

Is there any word on the malfunction rate of this tinker? I would hate such a fun enchant to be relegated to the lowly existence of his poor Nitro Boosts brother.

Comentado por 850775

This Tinkering enchant is HIGHLY underrated. As a Blood Death Knight I personally choose this enchant over both Aceleração Nitrosa and Escudo de Plasma Aterrado. While the effect itself is fairly situational, the times it can be used it works very nicely.

Disco de Amplificação Mental
This enchant when used on an enemy NPC makes it your "pet" for 30 seconds (10 seconds on other players), 10 minute cooldown. This debuff makes the NPC act like a pet, you can make it Attack, Follow, and Move To, put it in Assist, Defensive, or Passive Stance, and use up to 4 of the NPC's abilities (4 random abilities of the players class on enemy players). With the ability to use the NPC as a pet, it is basically a glorified form of crowd control =).

When used wisely on trash, you can use it to pull roflstompin damage for you to kill the whole group quickly. Two examples I like are Bebe-sangue Gurubashi in Zul'Gurub and Taca-machado Amani'shi in Zul'Aman who both have insane AoE for the last trash pull before bosses. It might even pull aggro off you in some situations!

What I like the most about this enchant is its low malfunction rate. Unlike the Nitro Boosts and the Grounded Plasma Shield, this enchant works correctly the majority of the time, and even when it fails it is rarely deadly. From my experience, here's an approximation on the uses...

> 65% of the time - Successful Mind Control.
> 30% of the time - Unsuccessful Mind Control, too bad. You might get the debuff Paspalho.
< 5% of the time - Backfire, you get Mind Controlled for 10 seconds. ~~Not~~ dispellable with Determinação dos Renegados, I will have to check with PvP trinkets and Humans' Desejo de Sobreviver. This will probably wipe your group, especially if you're tanking.

I have only had the backfire happen ~~ONCE~~ since I put this enchant on my belt in patch 4.0.6 or so.

Aceleração Nitrosa
This Tinker is probably the most commonly thought of enchant. Upon use you are granted the buff Aceleração Nitrosa which increases your movement speed by 150% for 5 seconds, 3 minute cooldown. This enchant is much less situational than the Mind Control enchant, however it also has an incredible malfunction chance even after the nerf. I find this enchant still malfunctions for me more than works properly, especially when I need the boost most.

Here is another approximation on the uses. The backfires seem to proc significantly less out of combat...

< 40% of the time - Successful boost.
> 40% of the time - Backfires, debuff Vazamento de Combustível de Foguete for 8 seconds. Not too bad, it is AMS-able, however 80% of your health is still a lot, especially when you are tanking. Even using AMS puts in on cooldown instead of letting you use it when you need it more.
< 20% of the time - Backfires, you are knocked into the air. Not necessarily too bad on its own, especially considering this malfunction comes with a parachute (most of the time =) ), however IF YOU ARE TANKING, YOUR AGGRO ON ANYTHING TARGETING YOU WILL RESET. This malfunction wiped a Conclave run 3 times in a row due to lost aggro before I stopped using the enchant altogether.

Escudo de Plasma Aterrado
Lastly the bubble enchant. This enchant when used grants about an 18k absorbtion bubble (Escudo de Plasma Aterrado) on a 5 minute cooldown. This is the most UNsituational enchant of the three, however the 5 minute cooldown is fairly high for an 18k bubble and the backfires are terrible. On the flipside, this enchant will grant positive outcomes much more often than negative, unlike the Nitro Boosts.

More approximations... now you will see why the debuffs are "terrible". They all have a good chance of messing up or wiping an encounter.

> 60% of the time - Successful bubble.
< 20% of the time - Unsuccessful, debuff Magnetizado!. 5 second stun, you are unable to move, attack, or dodge/parry/block.
< 10% of the time - Unsuccessful, debuff Tiro Falho com Plasma!. For the next 10 seconds, all your attacks will taunt the target (and all targets in 40y according to the tooltip, I still have to check). The taunt-on-hit is Choque Doloroso, lasts 4 seconds. This is a situational backfire that might help you, do nothing for you, or even wipe your group/raid on fights like Argaloth.
< 10% of the time - Unsuccessful, debuff Escudo Reverso. Supposedly gives enemies a 100% chance to critically hit you for 10 seconds, however from my experience you still don't get critically hit every time (or even most of the time >.>) in PvE, especially with the talent or the other-class equivalents. Might just be a bugged debuff. In any case, an increased chance to be critically hit is bad if you're a tank and can wipe you just like the other malfunctions.

These are just my ideas on the enchants and which one I use. When it comes down to it there is no "best" belt enchant as they're all flawed and situational, unlike the glove enchants.

Edit:
I don't know if it's pure luck or a hotfix, but in the past week 4/5 times I've used the Mind Amplification dish in dungeons it backfired... which is slightly more then my usual twice in half a year. I might stick with the Assassino de Papelão for now to see how well it works ...
On the bright side, I can safely say the backfire IS removable by Determinação dos Renegados!

Comentado por 594485

My favorite trick is when fighting a Death Knight, wait for them to start summoning their Army of the Dead. Activate the item and when you MC them, their ghouls will tear them apart. Set them to passive and just watch the show. If they survive, and some do, they're weak enough to take down with little effort.

Comentado por ssdisfaster

Tried this in pvp:

You cannot use other players' abilities, but it will randomly cast one of the spells from their spellbook. It also seems to have a bit of AI intelligence. For example: you control a class that has healing abilities and you are low on health, it will heal you with one of the healing spells. When you mind control a mage, it will cast frostbolt on random enemies.

It has a chance to fail. Out of about 7-8 uses it backfired once(I got mind controlled), 1 it stunned the enemy(channeling spell), and other times it mind controlled the other player.

In pve, it haven't failed yet, but probably will. When you control humanoid mob, you can directly control one of it's abilities and it usually lasts for full time.(20 seconds)

Comentado por ssdisfaster

Isn't it strange that it requires 350 engineering to use, but 410 to actually be able to learn and apply on _your own_ belt. How many people levelup profession to 400+, drop it and then re-level it?

Comentado por Pyratewench

Gamon did not take kindly with me messing with his head....

Comentado por Ocyla

It also blows your cool downs, I had someone put this on my mage and it had me cast presence of mind and put down a cooking fire, and both were on CD when I came out of the MC.

Comentado por centurio

I don't know if something has changed recently, but I just tried to use this in Tol Barad and got an error message saying "Cannot be used in a Rated Battleground." I know in the past I have been able to use this to MC the enemy in Tol Barad. Very strange.

Edit: Apparently this is a known issue dating back to at least August. TB is being treated like a rated BG at least as far as engy tinkers are concerned and even food/drinks. Doesn't seem anyone is in a big hurry to fix it though. Sigh.

Comentado por Goldschakal

Since today i cant mindcontroll mobs on the same level as me anymore.

Comentado por 979408

Was carrying the flag in WG when this backfired, since I was MCed they couldn't attack me

Comentado por Magnatross

I don't think anyone mentioned this yet, but when this tinker successfully gives you control of an enemy, they get a magic debuff. I'm not sure who can dispell it though, since they count as enemies towards their healers for its duration. It would also be pretty inconvenient if your healers mistakenly dispelled the 10 minute cooldown mind control from them.

Also, as of this post you can't manually activate the target's abilities(they aren't on the pet bar or pet tab in the spell book), but they'll do it themselves when in AI mode. If it is just you vs them with no one else in combat with either of you(like in a duel)when you use this, they will usually cast heals on you(if they have healing spells) even if they are a DPS, since there is nothing to attack. Dueled a Ret paladin, and when I controlled him he used wings and cast Holy Radiance on me although he is not Holy.

Comentado por 223389

Only works on targets that are lower level than you.

Comentado por 1044779

Works well on BG. Dont know about mobs

Comentado por 1041743

This tinker has been slightly nerfed. The target does apparently only follow you now (MoP). So I guess another tinker would be more useful like Nitro Boosts, Frag Belt etc.

Comentado por spelgubbe

~~This tinker unfortunately does not work on level 90 targets, which disappoints me since there is no level restriction mentioned in the tooltip of it.~~
Now works on players at level 90.

Comentado por 1041743

Also works fine on 90 players :)

Comentado por NightmareMJ

Some quick notes about this and Mind Controlling in general.
a) Mostly only usable on same level or lower NPCs and players
b) not really usable on "skull" marked mobs and players as they are considered above your level in game.
c) get drunk before MCing things as the level will be lowered by up to 3 based on how drunk you are(does not work against SKULL flag units)
d) the aggro/hate the npc will have against you cannot be matched by taunt effects in most cases(though the npc will still be forced to attack the target that taunted it, it will return to attacking you afterward) so the npc will not be tankable except by you, unless you have a 100% threat drop(vanish, DI, etc)/self stun(iceblock) mechanic.
e) sometimes you gain access to really interesting abilities when you have that RNG luck.

Comentado por Ticj

This item is fairly easy to glitch up players with, especially when jumping off cliffs. In Silvershard mines, I MC'd a rougue trying to get him to jump into the river, and he got stuck the entire game, so this item is a very fun item to mess around with XD

Comentado por 1272066

This cannot be used by a hunter who has his/her pet out. To use this you need to dismiss your pet because there is a *chance* that you can MC them and they will become your "pet". Once your "pet" they will use their basic attack.

EDIT: Clarity

Comentado por AmiYuy

Cannot be used on level 100 mobs. "Target is too high level" error.

Comentado por Benio101

Disco de Amplificação Mental tinker enchants targeted item with a Disco de Amplificação Mental "Use" spell.

Comentado por RomticGayMale

Just got my lvl 67 shaman up so he could use this for @#$%s & giggles which is really why anyone picks up engineering anyway. As of 9/13/2017 this does not work on mobs lvl 67+. I got the "target is too high" error when trying it. I tested it on some mobs in Hellfire Pen and it works on those who are under 62. Kinda strange that this has been hidden nerfed giving errors.

Comentado por olestuga

It's supposed to work in Normal Battle Grounds as far as i know. It is usable but doesn't actually have any effect on the target as if the "spell" missed, and this happens all the time. So what exactly is the point of enabling these tinkers if they don't do anything?

Comentado por Derplyn

Doesn't seem to work on 110 mobs.

Comentado por Jops

Broken after 8.0.1.
Now get the error "Requires Engineering (350)".

Comentado por sebtien

Still bugged :( did a bug report too. Hope they fix it soon.

Comentado por olestuga

I honestly feel like this is how they get this tinker out of the game and are pretending that it's bugged. And if it's genuinely bugged, then they won't bother because they think it's not a big deal. I'm just afraid I'm telling the truth.

Edit : Now it gives the error "target too high level" instead of "Requires Engineering (350)" even when using on a 110 whatever as a 120 char. So it WAS a bug, but it's clear that they still want this out of the game because it's the ONLY tinker with a level restriction as far as i know. Always gotta shrink/remove fun. What a shame.

Comentado por Chrizton

Still not working

Comentado por KeyStrat

Anyone looking to learn this to level up engineering...you need to take the SW portal to " Dalaran, Crystalsong Forest " and go to the engineering spot.

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