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Comentado por larkhainan

Please don't pollute wowhead with garbage like that. You can clearly look at the spell details here: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=42976 which very very clear states a 15 second buff. I'll leave the theorycrafting to people better at math, but seriously, click a couple links before you comment =(

edit : This comment was addressed to a comment which has since been deleted. I'm not responding to Shadowreunion. I have Executioner on my Torch of the damned and my general assessment is it's a nice pvp enchant / raiding enchant, but kinda sucks for farming. I'm a paladin, though.

Comentado por 93390

I submitted a pic of it from the test realms. Looks like Icy, with purple flecks coming out and the odd bolt of lightning.

The proc animation is a yellow swirl around the midsection of your body. I'll see if I can get a fraps running later.

Edit:
Ok just parsed 10 minutes of auto attack and 10 minutes of using instants.
Test was made duelling a tree druid who just healed himself as I auto attacking. 0 Haste, no seals, no instants.
Executioner proc'd 9 times and refreshed itself twice.

10 minutes of "instants" and Seal of Command.
Same test setup except I took off some AP/crit gear (to not accidentally kill the druid) and sealed SoC -> judge + reseal -> CS. Note this was not the maximum number of instants but I got lazy and just mashed macro then CS.
11 minute sample size, 16 procs, 8 refreshes.

Larger test to come when the servers can stay up for more than 10 minutes.

Comentado por tokyo

While doing testing, the proc self-refreshed determing that there is no hidden cooldown on the proc as of yet.

Keep in mind, this is still on the PTR so Blizzard could add a hidden cooldown.

Comentado por 93739

I assume that this will be the same as mongoose in that it also will not effect or proc off Ranged Weapons? Would've been nice.

Comentado por 64464

personaly i still rate mongoose above this enchant by far. Mongoose would also be better for pvp. Most fully geared paladins in arenas have 17k armour, 800 less would only make a 1% difference in damage or something small like that. I think the extra agility which would give extra crits, dodge and so on would be far better then this.

Comentado por 88948

I think that when it procs it's only procking on that attack so. Go This on Main hand and mongoose off-hand.

Comentado por zAce

Does this work in Druid forms or not?

Comentado por 69053

I have been testing this on the PTR on my rogue. Comparing basic observations of executioner vs. mongoose. The first thing that stuck out to me was that buff can only be up one at a time(Meaning that each weapon does not proc individually like the mongoose enchants). I did notice that they can refresh though. So having it on both weapons will increase the amount of time executioner is up, but will not double the effect.

After all of my testing I believe it will be most effective as a MH enchant with Mongoose applied to the OH. Since the affect of this combined with other armor penetrating items will produce more damage than the mongoose buff, applying it to the main hand will produce more damage for rogues because of the larger number of attacks with the main hand weapon.

Comentado por 97459

Anybody know if this will stack with the proc from "The Night Blade"?

Comentado por 88730

Does anyone know if this would beat out Savagery for a 2h weapon? Im a Ret Pally, and the agility off mongoose kinda sucks for me.

Comentado por Aris

does it PPM? ie: proc more often on slower weapons?

i'm interested in trying this over savagery on my deep thunder, but if it rarely procs on such slow weapons it may not be worth it.

Comentado por 61979

It seems that this + Mongoose will be a favorable enchant combo for rogues, now... just debating now; what enchant would generally be better to go onto MH/OH weapons? (My guess would be Mongoose on MH, Executioner OH)

Comentado por 103038

I want to talk a little bit for PvP.Savagery or Executioner(Savagery vs Executioner).With Savagery you get + 17.5-17.5dmg(as warrior) and about Executioner dmg depends whats the armor of your target.

Savagery:
For Example with my warrior in full Arena S2 gear on PvP MS build has 1734 AP(Unbuffed) with Savagery enchant on me, thats like ~1.009% constant increase of my dmg and As much AP you have the savagery gives you less % of damage for example with 2000 AP Savagery boost you ~0.875% of your whole dmg.That means as much AP you got less % of DMG boost.(Dont understand me wrong savagery always buff 17.5-17.5 +dmg increase if you are warrior but the % of dmg which I'm talking about is different with different AP)

Executioner:
The % of damage depends of the target that you attack.We can see what + % We get from Coconuter's calculations(which I get for correct) : http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p-p2GoLIggc7xJFZegWVhDA

The example with class-armor is very good and real because most the classes with full arena gear have almost ~the exact armor as the Coconuter's scale has.And if you fight target with 10k Armor for example 2H Warrior with Full Arena Gear the dmg increase is around 4% +damage.And Even If you fight Druid on Bear with 25k Armor(which is too much, usually resto druid in arena has like 16-17k on bear with the tallent Thick Hide who gave you +10% armor increase) the +% dmg boost is not less than 2% which is still more than Savagery.
On cloth user like Arena Geared Mage who has around 2500 with Armor buff and around 1700-1800 armor with no buffs the % of dmg Increase is lik 7-8% which is very good.

I dont really know whats the proc of the Executioner enchant, 15 secs is a good time and if the proc is good it worth to change your Savagery, since you are not so much Crowd Controlled and able to use the full time of your proc(or atleast 70% of the time).I am gonna definitely try the Executioner and If the proc is good I think it will be better than Savagery.

p.s.On different builds there can be some differences between the % Increase of Savagery but imo they wont be so big.And I am sorry about that I didnt write comment about other classes but you just can calculate what % of dmg increases Savagery on your class and then to compare it with the Coconut's ignore armor scale.And I am sorry that I didnt write a comment about the Moongoose but the % of dmg increase from this enchant depends a lot from your build(if we are talking about warrior) and the resilience of your target.I am sry in advance if you find some mistakes in my post it was too early in morning when i've wrote it(I've just tryed to help myself and to share my point of view with you) and I hope it will be usefull for you.And maybe sometimes I am gonna wright something about the Moongoose enchant buff on different warrior builds and targets.The choice is yours what enchant to use and what you prefere-proc(Executioner) or constant damage(Savagery) and are you so much crowd controlled(with the setup you play) so you wont be able to use the Executioner’s proc properly.

EDIT:After Test
I've tested the proc.And now I can give you exampl : In EotS Battleground I was zerging with heals and 90% of the time I was with the proc, It seems that it trigger on multiple targets I mean if you do Cleave+Whirlwind the proc chance is increased.And In arena I am very satisfied with it. And bensam I dont know how 5 minutes it didnt proc really its imposible that can happen only if you zerg and die in 1-2 secs.I personaly use S3 mace 3.6 speed and as I mention I am pretty much satisfied I dont know about these Five minutes I've tested also the proc rate outside of IF, only with Auto Attacks and it procs very good.Still i am pretty much convused about the "FIVE MINUTES". :) But everyone has personal opinion and If you dont like it put Savagery or other enchant. :)

Comentado por bensam123

Enough theocrafting. I purchased this enchant tonight and the procs shown above in the test data HAVE to be wrong. Over the course of a few hours in AV, the thing procs about every five minutes, FIVE MINUTES! Unless it procs only off auto attacks and is based on chance and not PPM.

I have it on a 3.8speed mace. This very well could be a %chance and not PPM for how often it proced. I'm personally finding this to be a very disapointing 300g enchant. It would be nice if someone did more thorough testing.

Comentado por 9498

This very well could be a %chance and not PPM for how often it proced.

Procs per hit = Weapon speed * Procs per minute / 60

This gives the percentage chance that the proc will go off each hit. An understandable misconception is that procs per minute guarantees that exactly some amount of procs will occur each minute of combat. This is not the case, as procs per minute is merely a statistical average, not a guarantee.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Ppm

Perhalps if you understood what ppm was, you would have realized earlier it is as you say -- it's all up to chance. At a rate of 1ppm on your 3.8s mace, it's about a 6.3% chance per hit. Keep in mind each time you hit and it doesn't proc -- doesn't affect or increase the chance it will proc on the next hit.

If you make 100 attacks at 6.3% chance to proc, and none of them proc. Does that mean your next attack will have a better chance to proc? Nope! Still 6.3% mutually exclusive and independent

Comentado por 64199

I don't know if anyone else noticed but this seems to be the only enchant with 'requires a level 60 or higher item', unlike all other outland enchants which are 'requires a level 35 or higher item'.

Comentado por 71767

What proccs more often ? Mongoose or Executioner ?

Comentado por Carcharoth

Just curious if this will show up on a gladiator's quickblade? I know it has a slight glow, but i'm unsure since this enchant is around the blade instead of on the blade...? Any help will be welcome

Comentado por 119048

Hey would this show up on, Screaming dagger?
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29909#reward-from

And do you think mongoose or executioner would be wiser, I plan to get mongoose on my offhand already, though most say executioner is a pve enchant, i think it would work out well for the 59 bracket.

anyways, if anyone knows if it shows up on the weapon, or if it is even worth it over dual mongoose

thanks

ps. im goin to be a mutilate specced rogue

Comentado por 119048

tons of other people asked questions on this item, and many others, but yeah ok

Comentado por 111264

is this good enchant for tanking? or is mongoose better

Comentado por 131725

what other enchant would this go good with? mogoose?

Comentado por 129225

Question,

I see a lot of Protection specced warriors with Executioner, does executioner generate any threat at all? or is it basically like having another sunder armor on the target. Trying to decide wether to get Executioner or Mongoose.

Any help would be great.

Comentado por 138679

Im duel-wielding PvE fury warrior and I was thinking about putting this on one of my axes. Both of them have +20 str. , but I was wonderin if that ignore 840 from time to time could compensate for the loss of +20 str.

Comentado por 123220

This enchant is an alternative to mongoose for prot warriors as it boosts TPS by a lot.

Comentado por 117977

rant: why cant they make more things proc for druids... damn......

Comentado por 63403

As a mutilate rogue mainhanding this with the 1.8 speed gladiator's Shanker, I had one proc every 56 seconds on average.
Mongoose had one proc every 67 seconds, for comparison.

Comentado por 137716

This is a 1 PPM enchant so its about 210 Armor Penetration. A great enchant.

Using it on my S3 OH,on my shammy :)

Comentado por 144082

Ummm how much would you pay if it was the enchanters MATS for this Enchantment?

Comentado por Ladno

It's a pity the proc is so disappointing. I'd like everybody to know when my enchant procs, but all I get is a squish and a little flashing icon..

Comentado por 154479

By the way enchants have no graphical effect on weapon that already have some.

Comentado por lunateth

Since this isn't a "chance on hit" effect, I'm assuming this works in feral form for Druids?

Comentado por 159444

dropped today twice in 1 raid on warsong eu from hex lord and zul`djin. all raid was shoked :D

Comentado por 163214

Would executioner be worth getting for a Ret Paladin?

Comentado por 43743

judgement of blood procs executioner

Comentado por 129138

Can it dual proc to get to like 1680 Amor reduction?

Comentado por 94544

How many times can this enchant PPM?

Comentado por 130963

This is probably the best main hand wep for a warrior playing pvp at 70 simply because if this proccs against caster classes or rogues the armour remove will make them half naked causing them to take huge damage.
hunters, shamans and paladin + other warriors wont feel the debuff effect as much as a caster such as mage or rogue or warlock / priest .

this would devastate mages/ warlocks and priests if a shaman purged their amour buff they would be very close to being naked making this weapon enchant amazing against low amour targets, rogues will also be owned by this but mongoose might be an option vrs a high dmg dealing rogue to reduce imcomming dmg allowing improved mitigations through dodging.

if your going to use this enchant your should be primarily focusing on casters to gain full advantage on armour debuffs and if your liekly to be up against a ret pala/rogue combat /Hunters/ druids bear/ fury warriors / arms warriors you might be better off with mongoose due to damage reduction and crit/ armour increase

Comentado por 172532

This is also great for a Prot Warrior threat enchant. If your being spam healed in a 25 man raid, executioner will normaly be much better than goose since you will have more threat, and dodges will just produce overheal and less rage.

Comentado por 134312

I have a lvl 70 Ret paladin. I am using the S2 2H sword as my wep and i had savagery on it. wow-heroes.com rated the chant only a 3, and recomended executioner or mongoose. I raid and i also pvp, with one gear set. Which of these enchants should i get?

Comentado por Misse

Is there a visible animation when it procs?

Comentado por Batleth

When 'Wrath of the Lich King' comes out, I'm planning on utilizing Titan's Grip. I'm a Master Hammersmith, so I'll be using Stormherald and Deep Thunder to maximize the stun potential in Arenas and BGs. My question is, would it be beneficial to put Executioner on both weapons? Or just one? Combine it with Mongoose, for the extra speed, considering I'll be using 2 2H weapons?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

8-)

Comentado por 223131

what do you think is it better to ench your waepon with executioner or savagery? dont you know how many is teoretically dps adding the executioner, because i am thinking about this two enchants and i did not find anything about executioner(if it is the same if you reduce armor from 10k on 9.2k or from 1k on 0.2k, or if i compare it to attack power how many is it adding etc.) thanks for answers.

Comentado por Blackriver

This enchant's glow is considerably large and looks like it's tearing dimensions apart, it's great.

Comentado por 205761

any1 with a level 80 alliance and WAAY too much money wanna post screenshots of this on Annihilator, Grand Marshal's Handaxe, and Grand Marshal's Sunderer.... trying to make decisions....

Comentado por 205761

excellent pic by felixreynolds
also, would this be good for an arms warrior?

Comentado por Ultenth

Does anyone know if this is still useful at all compared to WOTLK enchants, there isn't a newer AP type enchant, so it's the only one at the moment, so it is at all worthwhile anymore?

Comentado por gruumz

Works pretty well in 3.1 tbh. Grim Toll w/ Executioner = Win.

Comentado por ADneo

9,74% at LVL 80, what im more interested in if this enchant maybe worth enchanting over AP enchants? 10% ArP vs raid bosses is not bad at all, if anyone at all can confirm, i would be gratefull, atm i have 89% ArP with Grim Toll up not counting all raid debuffs. Feral Druid.

Comentado por 205761

Just got this with Claymore of the Prophet on my level 80 Death Knight. Incredible....

Comentado por 230590

seems people forgot about this, might be the cost but since they buffed armor pen, the proc is exactly 10% at 80

great for combat rogues and probably better than massacre for a fury warrior's OH

though chances are, probably have double berserking if you had the mats, or rogues using the more universal mongoose instead of this anyways

Comentado por 430856

I am an arms warrior mace spec and currently sit at about 35% armor pen with just talents and gear. I was curious to see if my dps will increase because of the additional 10%. I currently have beserking on my mace and was considering trying out executioner, is it worth it?

Comentado por 340846

My question is a bit different. For Warrior as i am, what should i have on my 2h wp in PvP?

Berserking (+400AP) or

Executioner (+120ArP -->+10% in battle stance = 132/12.3 -->10.7% ignore armor)?

Think that Berserking --> 400/14*3.6 --> 102dmg in 3.6 speed

And Executioner -->10.7% ignore armor

I don't know the proc rate and I think that 10.7% ignore is better than 100 dmg in pvp..

Comentado por 144159

Almost equal to 32% armor penetration at level 60

Comentado por Lindentree

As an arms-offspec warrior I'm taking this over Berserking for PVE, as soon as I find enough expertise gear to make some upgrades which will increase my hit enough that I don't need Accuracy anymore.

Plate-wearing classes are natural "offtanks," and with an influx of inexperienced tanks in the LFG system I find in five-mans that I often have to take on tanking duties even when I'm not actually "tanking" - grabbing Guardians on Elder Nadox and dragging them over to the tank, rather than the tank taunting the guardian or moving over to him, comes to mind; or picking up adds the tank missed on the H HoS wave encounter and dragging them back to him. I find myself doing this frequently enough that I don't want to have to deal with Berserking's armor reduction.

That leaves the choice between Massacre and Executioner (or Scourgebane if you're raiding ICC, but since I've got a regular tanking spot it's not worth it). Massacre is equivalent to 55 strength, 50 if you've got a pally in the party (which I here assume you do). For a spec like mine, which gems ArP rating over strength (after a certain point), that means Executioner is superior to Massacre even if it has only ~40% uptime, i.e. procs a little less than twice a minute. With a slow weapon, even a 1 PPM enchant would meet that criterion, and as this is a PPM enchant that is its minimum proc rate. Therefore, for any class which gems ArP over Strength, Executioner is superior to Massacre (on the main hand at least; a TG warrior might find Massacre superior on his offhand, depending on Executioner's actual PPM.)

For those of you who are raiding ICC with your 2h weapon - well, first I'd suggest that you go Berserking. Berserking is only out for me because I use my DPS spec primarily with pugs, and I don't trust pug tanks to do their jobs well enough to not require an OT. If you can't trust your tanks in ICC, maybe you shouldn't be raiding with them. If you're dead set against Berserking and want to compare Executioner and Scourgebane: Scourgebane is equivalent to 70 strength, or 63.6 strength if you've got a pally in the group. So Executioner will be superior to Scourgebane if it has ~50% uptime. With a slow weapon, even a 1 PPM enchant would meet that criterion, so Executioner is superior to Scourgebane even against undead as a main hand enchant for any spec that gems ArP over strength.

All of this assumes, of course, that you are at last 120 ArP rating away from the ArP cap.

Comentado por SharQueDo

This enchant is generally better than Berserking on a Hack and Slash Combat Rogue at T9 gear levels than Berserking, according to several spreadsheets, including Rawr. Preferably this enchant on the main-hand weapon with Black Magic enchant on the off-hand weapon, which has been changed to 250 haste since 3.3 and can proc off poisons.

Please consult your spreadsheet before use.

Comentado por 501579

Does anybody made the calculations for a feral druid? I am sitting at 1019 arpen and don't know if this works for me better than berserking

Comentado por Boshnak

Patch 3.3.3

Enchant Weapon - Executioner addition has been updated with "Only one instance of this effect can be active at a time."

Something to note, if you were using two weapons with this enchant.

Comentado por 515106

Tested on my feral for uptime. Autoattack only.
Exp capped, hit noncapped (%5,46 covered)
DBW was equipped so haste proc probably affected it.
All in all, Executioner buff had %20,1 uptime.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ggq0kkzaq0wjrty6/details/0/

Comentado por 133487

Is this still viable as a Combat Rogue for PvE as of Patch 3.3 or has Berserking killed it for good (now that it is affordable)?

Comentado por aerion

As of 4.0.1, this enchant gives 120 crit rating with a pretty high uptime.

For people like me that always liked the glow effect, this means we get a good dps boost as well as the awesome factor.

Comentado por FlayOnDarkIron

120 crit rating is worth:

+10.37% crit @51 (Earliest you can get it, I believe, if you were to put it on the Ice Barbed Spear)
+8.57% crit @60
+5.44% crit @70
+2.61% crit @80

Overall, seems.. eh.. lackluster... to me. Personally, I think I would rather have Berserking or Massacre, but that's just me. You may feel differently.

But to be fair, this enchant looks beastly. Thats gotta count for something, right?

Comentado por 3Z3K13L08

Here is the Scroll of Enchant Weapon - Executioner. Useful for sale on the AH.

Comentado por mekikya

This enchant is now back in the game as a BOE recipe sold by Mercador Jadyan in Stormspire, Netherstorm. For 5g or 4.5 with the family discount ;) cheaper still with the guild perk...

Fórmula: Encantamento de Carrasco - Arma <<<BOE

Comentado por NightmareMJ

5.4 Data.

This procs off all melee class spells even when using caster weapons.
It can also proc from demonic slash and regular melee attacks, It has no ICD and can be up continiously but seems to have a sub 10% proc chance for those under level 60 (around 15% for 60-70)

Can proc off application of diseases, bloodboil, virtually every enhancement shaman ability, bleed ticks, poison application(not ticks).

For 25-60 you get around 20-12% crit rate, for sub level 25 you get around 70-90% crit chance!

VERY PAINFUL for use by dual wielding fury warriors, prot paladins, Rogues, and Enhancement shamans... Its a really terrible enchant for 2H weapons unfortunately.

Also proc'd from a warlock's Demonic Slash when using Dark Apotheosis but procs from nothing but melee auto attacks otherwise for locks.

Despite the rewording and reapplication of the usefulness of this enchant, Mongoose is still superior for Agility classes including monks which procs much more often and provides speed crit and power rather than just crit.

Dual Wield Fury warriors and Death Knights(as all their abilities proc this enchant so its up time is around 100% for blood tanks level 55-70) seem to be the only ones meant to get use out of this.

Comentado por masterdarkjedi

any changes on this yet? works on lvl 1?

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Carrasco

Carrasco	Nível 70

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Reagentes:

Cristal de Caos (6), Estilhaço Prismático Grande (10), Essência Planar Maior (6), Pó Arcano (30), Elixir de Força Elevada (3)

Encanta permanentemente uma arma corpo a corpo para conceder 23 de acerto crítico de forma esporádica. Só uma instância deste efeito pode ser ativada por vez. Não pode ser aplicado a itens de nível maior do que 320.

Comerciante: Mercador Jadyan
Área: Eternévoa
Custo: 6

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	Ramo de Vilerva (30)
	Ampola de Cristal (3)

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Enchant Item: Carrasco (3225)
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