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Comentado por Anshlun

Quest part of the Chain to obtain Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest.

Comentado por 250447

Seething cinder x 25 ... I am not sure I am happy or sad about this, it's less 'shards' than SM or Valanyr... but the other parts of the q cost too damn much :S!

Comentado por Hanomi

Shannox 25 heroic - dropped 60 cinder

Comentado por 489431

10N Rag dropped 23 seething embers.

Comentado por clavarnway

I would be extremely interested in knowing what happens when more than one person in the raid are both on the questline. Can only one person get the Cinders at a time? Is that how it worked for Shadowmourne?

Comentado por 855211

got 273 from 1st 5 bosses last night (shannox and spider hc) .. even normal bosses seem to drop more or less 50ish cinders per boss.. if i base the math on normal kills, approximately 50 per boss means 20 boss kills.. which is just under 3 weeks provided u clear 7/7 in 25man.

ps. even though the items are on ml they cant be given to anyone not on the q and can only be given to one person. the 2nd person getting legendary in my guild has 14 embers so im guessing/hoping by the time i get to 1000, he will just start delegation or this quest.

Comentado por Dzor

10 man Cinders gathering started here. 156/1000 from 7 bosses after first week.

Baleroc 10 Normal: 18
Shannox 10 Heroic: 23
Rhyolith 10 Heroic: 25
Alysrazor 10 Heroic: 24
Beth'ilac 10 Normal: 23
Majordomo 10 Normal: 22
Ragnaros 10 Normal: 21

Avg 22,3.

So seems like it will take a minium of 6 weeks to gather 1000 in 10 man raiding. ( If everything done as heroic and avg drop is 24 per boss.) If not, 7-8 weeks.

EDIT: After 6 full clears I'm standing with 979/1000 cinders, so only 21 is needed from first boss from next week. 43 boss kills = final Avg 23,25.

Comentado por Runawaynow

I'll keep track of the cinders I see in our 10 man raid here in case Wowhead continues to not differentiate between difficulties and raid sizes :) Thus this post may be updated between Tuesday and Thursday with new numbers each week. Yay stats.

Week 3 our "staff-getter" was unable to show up one day, hence dashes...
Week 5 our "staff-getter" had some drama and decided not to show up. You guessed it....dashes...
Week 7 the numbers became not accurate to the progress values, which are accurate. How odd... It's possible that "staff-getter 1" went into the alt raid on Week 5 whereupon he net 36 cinders (18 + 18) which evens out the values.
Week 8 "Staff-getter 1" was unable to siphon Essences from Alysrazor and Majordomo. Very interesting...
Week 9 Achievements week, last week of maintaining updates to cinder drop counts. I believe we have successfully established the correct values for the ranges :)

Heroic kills in bold

Boss	Wk 1	Wk 2	Wk 3	Wk 4	Wk 5	Wk 6	Wk 7	Wk 8	Wk 9
Shannox	25	26	--	24	24	26	25	26	23
Beth'tilac	20	19	--	22	--	18	20	26	18
Alysrazor	22	22	--	23	24	26	23	25	21
Lord Rhyolith	23	21	23	25	24	26	26	24	20
Baleroc	23	20	21	20	--	24	25	26	25
Majordomo	23	23	22	24	--	26	25	26	24
Ragnaros	19	19	20	23	--	22	20	23
Totals	155	150	86	161	72	168	164

Progress

Staff-getter #1	Coração das Chamas
Staff-getter #2	O tempo é curto
Staff-getter #3	O tempo é curto
Staff-getter #4	O olho que tudo vê

It is becoming apparent from these stats as well as scattered reports of drop counts and difficulties on this page and others, as well as Wowhead data (which does not denote any raid sizes or difficulties) that the following ranges are represented:

10 Man	25 Man
Normal	18-23	48-55
Heroic	23-26	55-66

Comentado por 443537

Seeing how 10man has a 0-1 drop rate and people doing 25man reported 1-3 drops then theoretically that 0 drop chance throws that 2.5x out of the window.

Seeing how on lowest drops per week 10man gets no Embers with 25man getting 7 would most likely make it 4-5x harder for 10mans than 25man.

You are assuming that a 0 and a 1 from 10 man have the same chance to drop, I have found that 1 ember is far more common than 0, closer to 80%, making the average drop per boss 0.8 embers. Assuming that there is an equal chance for 1, 2, or 3 to drop in 25 man, that average is 2.

0.8 x 2.5 = 2

If my numbers are correct, the droprate per person is the same in 10 and 25.

Comentado por 781377

Anyone notice the occasional "The essence of Tarecgosa is within you." (or something similar) message? Kinda cool, kinda creepy. I tried to look for a buff whenever I saw the message but didn't see anything. Just random I guess.

Comentado por Allinone

After seeing Runwaynow's post above, I decided to keep track of all the drops that I received during my stage 2 quest.
Now that I've finished, here is the table with all the information.

Heroic kills are also in bold:

Beth'tilac	-	18	22	-	23	23	23	25
Shannox	-	22	25	26	23	23	24	26
Lord Ryolith	-	20	24	26	25	25	24	-
Alysrazor	-	23	26	23	23	23	26	-
Baleroc	-	22	19	26	24	25	26	-
Staghelm	20	18	19	21	25	25	26	-
Ragnaros	-	21	21	21	21	18	18	-
Totals	20	144	156	143	164	162	167	51
20	164	320	463	627	789	956	1007

As expected, it's consistent with the conclusion that 10 man normal mode bosses drop between 18 and 23 cinders, while 10 man heroic mode bosses drop between 23 and 26 cinders.

Comentado por Necropenguin

A word of warning about race and/or faction changing with this quest active. When you pay Blizzard for that service you also get a complimentary quest log wipe as part of the process.

If you go through with it you will have this quest removed from your log. Every Cinzas Ardentes you had collected thus far will still be in your possession, but you must go and re-accept the quest from Kalecgos. Failure to re-accept the quest means when you're in for a boss you won't have any cinders drop. Sour! So heads up, I'd recommend against big changes like this on the collect parts of this quest.

Comentado por Basilicus

Do you have to have the Staff of Nordrassil equipped to collect the embers? Or is having it in your bags sufficient? I have a slightly better staff from Ragnaros that I would prefer to use.

Comentado por Sharwin22

If you're like me and looking for a dragon, you wont find Kalecgos. He is in his human form when you cash this quest in. He is standing on a rock outcrop and can be easy to miss. The ? on your map is the right place.

Also, make sure that you have your Branch of Nordrassil in your bags to turn in.

Comentado por 212613

After doing 25 Heroic, I couldn't believe how many I looted. This post being patch 6.0.2, I'm not sure if they increased the drop of them, but something happened. These numbers are from a single lockout in one week.

Beth'tilac: 55

Rhyolith: 64

Alysrazor: 60

Shannox: 55

Baleroc: 61

Staghelm: 63

Rag: 65

Comentado por pipilas

At 10 man normal and as i was continuing after Delegando deveresDelegation quest i had still to kill Beth'tilac who dropped 21 Cinzas Ardentes with Galho de Nordrassil equipped and Balroc who dropped 20 without the staff equipped.It seems it doesn't make any difference for the quest items to drop.Whether you have it equipped or not the cinders are dropping and as i can confirm they drop 4x approx after patch 6.0.From then and on i kept the staff in my bag and Senescal Guenelmo dropped 22 and Ragnaros dropped 18

Comentado por Jazzycakes2

If you faction Kalecgos goes into some weird phase thing.

I found him at coords 30.98,23.92 and he stayed put while i grabbed quest and typed this up :)

Comentado por szerkli

428 Cinders from the 1st run .... seems promising
May, 15th 2015

Comentado por PaperJax

I thought I'd throw in my two cents for anyone wanting to obtain this staff after patch 6.2.
After reviewing all the comments here and setting myself up to run Firelands for a good few weeks in order to obtain all the cinders I needed, I went in expecting to see 30ish embers per boss on Heroic 25m.
After my first run through I managed to get Beth, Rhyolith and Aly on 25H and the rest on Normal 25. I just couldn't get Shannox down alone ><
I ended my first run with 401 cinders. After my second week of the same boss kills I ended with 787. I'm about to collect my last few now and continue on with my quest. I should have kept track of how many I got from each boss but alas, I did not.

Either way, I thought it might be reassuring for people to know that this is obtainable in as little as 3 weeks instead of about 10 like it used to be :)

Good luck everyone!

Comentado por Drakkul

25 man heroic first week managed to get 488 at 100 can easily solo it make some good money to./

Comentado por Icemix

1st run, 25hc, 431 cinders

Comentado por Sincere

415 first week on 25h. looks like drop rate is unchanged since previous posts.

Comentado por Calucias

I made a video on how to get this staff the quickest way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCM8SKOWaq8

Comentado por ways69776

My first run in 25m heroic gave me these numbers per boss. I will update this when I run next weeks.

Week 1
Lord Rhyolith dropped 64
Alysrazor dropped 64
Shannox dropped 62
Beth'tilac dropped 66
Baleroc dropped 57
Staghelm dropped 56
Ragnaros dropped 58

In total I earned 427 from this run.
*edit*

Week 2
Lord Rhyolith dropped 62
Alysrazor dropped 63
Shannox dropped 58
Beth'tilac dropped 63
Baleroc dropped 59
Staghelm dropped 58
Ragnaros dropped 57

In total I earned 420 from this run.

In week 3 I didn't record the numbers, but I finished the quest after 3 bosses. I recommend not continuing in the raid, as the next quest requires you to loot items from the bosses aswell, so it is better to turn this quest in, get the next one, then continue the raid.

Comentado por dillybar

Had something strange happen today.

I was at 968/1000 on my cinders. I killed the first two bosses, it showed more than 50 cinders each in loot, but nothing showed up in my bags.

I had 4 stacks of 200 and 1 stack of 168. I separated out the stack of 168 into 100 and 68 (2 stacks) and then on the next boss I was able to loot the cinders. Truly strange but it worked.

Comentado por 29887

Standing outside, where the entrance is supposed to be. Nothing here. Not even the summoning stone.
Is it closed off...?

Comentado por Nobalk

I know this is an older post, but i am not able to see kalecgos to turn the quest in after collecting the 1000 cinders, i am in coldarra with all the items in my bag as well as the staff from an earlier quest. the yellow ? is right where i am on the map but i cannot see/target (with target macro) kalecgos. i have tried leaving the zone and coming back, as well as reloading/relogging. i have flown around this zone spam clicking my macro in case he was elsewhere, but no such luck. anyone have anything that can help me find him? thanks in advance.

Comentado por Peaches

for me in legion 7.2 I finished this quest and kalecgos wasn't showing. If this happens to you just relog and he will be there.

Comentado por Jazeera

As this is a rather dated quest, I thought I'd give an updated info on doing it.
TL;DR: Don't nuke brainlessly, don't roll on everything, don't compete for the same quest with others in the group.

You don't need to equip the Branch of Nordrassil - but it might help you for the fight against Ryolith.
You should do these bosses alone or with other people not on the same quest. You'll be blocking each other otherwise as the items are not personal loot. The others can be on the quests before or after this one without blocking each others progress. Just don't roll on the Eternal Embers if your friend needs them as they are bound on pickup without the ability to trade them in the group like a lot of the current drops. Same goes for the cinders for the friends you take with you, altough i think you can not roll on them, if you are not on or past the quest yourself.
You should be able to kill all except one boss rather quickly on 25 man Heroic. Additional Achievements do not matter like they did in Ulduar where the hard mode was granting an additional drop chance (Hodirs second chest).
The only thing deciding how many shards you get is the choice between 10 or 25-man and non-heroic or heroic mode. When you enter the instance check the minimap icon. You can switch from non-heroic to heroic inside, but you can't increase to 25-man when inside. Ragnaros is only available on heroic if you killed all other bosses in this instance lockout on heroic.
Do not kill Ryolith unless he has transformed into his fire phase. You will not get any loot and "due to the nature of the legendary quest" GMs are not able to send you the quest items by mail afterwards.
Do not worry about Ragnaros' phases skipping - he has been designed to survive a nuke from orbit and still give you loot at the end. The last phase starts with a fixed amount of health (around 30%) regardless of your previous damage on him.
Since this is an old raid, you can not split the group after a certain boss or merge two groups with different lockout ids later in the raid. You can add other players without a lockout later in the instance though. If a player enters a raid in progress he will have the previously killed bosses counted as dead for this lockout without being able to loot the bosses. Also staying outside after a certain boss dies does not help, as the instance id will be cleared as far as the other players take it. The one with less kills will be asked to accept a more cleared version of his id upon entry. Splitting the group for mount bosses is not an option, different lockout ids at the same kill progress can not be merged.

I hope this helps some people redoing the questline for sentimental reasons.

Additional hints on the bosses:

Shannox: If you are slow on the kill, kill Rageface first - he will stun you fairly thoroughly after about one minute into the fight. The crystal and fire traps will only appear if a secondary target exists (Mirror Images, friends, Barovs Bell servants, etc.). Once one of his pets dies, Shannox gains a mechanical enrage effect. This is easier than the "Face Rage" to heal against, as you are not stunned while it lasts.
Beth'tilac: This boss cannot die unless she returns back down. You can shoot probably one cast at her before she goes up. Take down a spider hanging from the ceiling and go up to get her back down. Walk into the hole in the center of the net to get a slow return to the ground. If you have more than one player in the fight, the hanging spiders will stun you for a little while.
Lord Ryolith: Do not apply DoTs on him - most kill on the second tick and kill him before he transforms. Use a low level friend (below 95 should be good), take off equipment, melee hit if you are a caster/healer - just don't kill him before his fire phase. Do not mistake his "Stumbles and falls" for a fire phase. He might sit down but unless he burns fully (bright yellow/orange) it is not his fire phase. Don't mistake his walking into the fire for his fire phase. Keep weakly hitting only one leg till the boss reaches 20% or less - it levels out with the other regularly. If you hit him too hard, the boss will be counted as defeated, the instance lockout will have him listed as dead but you will not get any cinders.
Baleroc: There is nothing special on him - Just hit him with all you got. If you take too long, the crystal might reduce your health to 0. So if you are not at max level you might want to use Bloodlust/Heroism for this one.
Alysrazor: If you are decently levelled, you can kill her before she lifts off. If she lifts off, take three feathers and kill her while she is in the air. You will be able to cast while running or flying with the feathers. She will fall down and be lootable. This might have been one of the failsafes to keep the mount lootable.
Majordomo Staghelm: If you have enough players (i think it was 13 on 25-man and 6 on 10-man) standing in one spot, he will not become a cat. Otherwise he will jump around and leave fire aoe effects which might kill your low level friends. This does not affect his resulting cinders however. Just something you might consider doing if you did the "Only the pentient..." achievement.
Ragnaros: Instant killing is impossible on heroic he will survive a nuke from orbit and return with a fixed amount of health. I'm not sure about normal though. On heroic he will get out of his pool with around 30% health no matter how little he had before. The running elementals might kill low level friends though. If you are not awfully overlevelled or want to keep your low level friend alive, kill the adds running towards the dropped hammer. Once they reach it, they explode for a decent amount of damage. Hitting the adds once reduces their walking speed drastically. Just remember that he drops a mount, which looks a lot like Alysrazor. This might be the reason why he survives the nuke in the first place.

Update after 7.3.5: Since this has been moved to a Timewalking Raid you can clear it twice a week (1 x HC, 1 x non-HC) with your character. Just exit the instance and change it from HC to non-HC. The bosses drop like 10-man before the patch. Got about 20 on each boss except for Ragnaros who dropped 51 on non-HC. I am doing it currently for the third time already - like the legendary Deathwing daggers.

Comentado por Reneasd

As of 7.3.5 Done on 25-man Heroic.

Got cinders as following:

Lord Rhyolith: 59
Alysrazor: 56
Shannox: 56
Beth'tilac: 62
Baleroc: 57
Staghelm: 61
Ragnaros: 55

Total of 406 the first week.

Comentado por luxonski

If anybody is interested, I just (8.1) completed 25 heroic and collected 421 Seething Cinders in one run so I guess 3 weeks is the timeline to collect all.

Comentado por frihedstimen

As Patch 8.2.5 I collected 181 Seething Cinders in one 25hc run

First week

Baleroc......... 25 Heroic: 21
Shannox....... 25 Heroic: 20
Rhyolith........ 25 Heroic: 21
Alysrazor...... 25 Heroic: 21
Beth'ilac....... 25 Heroic: 23
Majordomo.. 25 Heroicl: 22
Ragnaros..... 25 Heroic: 55
In all 181

Comentado por tobysk1

The drop rate has been nerfed sometime between 8.1 and 8.2.5. In 8.2.5 I get ~20 cinders per boss and ~60 for Ragnaros, 185 in total.

Don't forget though that you can run Normal as well where the drop rate is the same!

In total on my first week running both Heroic and Normal I got 352 which is still a 3 week turn around.

Comentado por Environy

Drop rate change: now that the raid is flex, when you go in solo it will show as a 10 man even if set to 25. The consequence of this is that the number of Cinzas Ardentes drops will be as if you went into a 10 man. ie: ~24 instead of ~60. My first full clear was 183. Count on 6 weeks to clear it. Depends on if you killed the bosses to get the shards on your initial run.

Comentado por Sarthorius

GREAT NEWS EVERYONE

It seems that since blizz made these old raids into 'flex' mode, you can do Heroic+Normal clears in the same week cutting the time of the quest by half.

Comentado por ConneurFM

Totaling up how many cinders per run, for posterity.

Heroic "25-Man":

1. Lord Rhyolith: 22.
2. Alysrazor: 21.
3. Shannox: 22.
4. Beth'tilac: 22.
5. Baleroc: 20.
6. Majordomo Staghelm: 18.
7. Ragnaros: 60.

Total: 185.

Normal "25-Man":

1. Shannox: 23.
2. Beth'tilac: 22.
3. Alysrazor: 21.
4. Lord Rhyolith: 23.
5. Baleroc: 18.
6. Majordomo Staghelm: 23
7. Ragnaros: 49.

Total: 179

Tune in next week, I've got a ways to go.

Second week! It's time to write up another round of drops.
Heroic "25-Man":
1. Shannox: 20.
2. Beth'tilac: 19.
3. Lord Rhyolith: 18.
4. Alysrazor: 19.
5. Baleroc: 18.
6. Majordomo Staghelm: 23.
7. Ragnaros: 66.

Total: 183.

Normal "25-Man":
1. Shannox: 23.
2. Beth'tilac: 21.
3. Alysrazor: 19.
4. Lord Rhyolith: 18.
5. Baleroc: 23.
6. Majordomo Staghelm: 22.
7. Ragnaros: 48.

Total: 174.

Definitely less than last week on both. Let's see what next week brings!

Third week! It's time to write up another round of drops.
Heroic "25-Man":
1. Shannox: 23.
2. Beth'tilac: 22.
3. Lord Rhyolith: 19.
4. Alysrazor: 20.
5. Baleroc: 20.
6. Majordomo Staghelm: 21
7. Ragnaros: 57

Total: 182

Normal "25-Man":
1. Shannox: 19.
2. Beth'tilac: 20.
3. Alysrazor: 22.
4. Lord Rhyolith: 21.
5. Baleroc: 19.
6. Majordomo Staghelm: 21.
7. Ragnaros: 52.

Total: 174.

Amazingly, I got less in the third week than the second week. So a steady decline in number count.

I still went well over the 1,000 mark at the end of the third week (77 extra), but it's funny to think not only are the numbers random, but you can continue to get less each week.

Comentado por ImperiumofMan

took me 3 weeks to complete in 9.0.1

kalcgos is at 23.0, 30.8 in borean tundra, there was no questionmark on the map

Comentado por Ndarmygurl

As of Shadowlands Patch 9.2.5 7/5/2022:

WEEK 1 - Completing both Heroic and Normal Firelands raids, I looted 367 Seething Embers in total (without the branch equipped)

WEEK 2 - Completing both Heroic and Normal Firelands raids, I looted 366 Seething Embers in total (without the branch equipped)

WEEK 3 - Completed Normal Firelands raid (week 2) I looted 171 Seething Embers in total (without the branch equipped)
Completed Heroic Firelands raid (week 2) I looted 94 Seething Embers in total (WITH branch equipped)
I had 2 bosses left in Heroic raid that I didn't have to kill because I hit 1000 Seething Embers

Comentado por r3fund

10.0.2: Legacy Raid Settings: Heroic, 25 Player || Normal, 25 Player || Total

Week 1: 180 || 175 || 355/1000 Cinzas Ardentess
Week 2: 190 || 179 || 724/1000 Cinzas Ardentess
Week 3: 107* || 169 || 1000/1000 Cinzas Ardentess

*Hit 1000 after killing Senescal Guenelmo

Comentado por NoRaisonDetre

May I ask if these are still obtainable? I have 285 from before my break and just did Firelands with this quest active and I received no new ones. Do I need something in my inventory to receive them? I have forgotten everything, please help. lol

Comentado por mcpunchface

I just started this quest today. These are the Cinzas Ardentess I looted as of the last week of 10.1.

Boss difficulty: Wk1 - Wk2 - Wk3
Baleroc 10 Heroic: 19 - 23 - 22
Shannox 10 Heroic: 19 - 22 - 19
Rhyolith 10 Heroic: 20 - 18 - 23
Alysrazor 10 Heroic: 18 - 22 - 20
Beth'ilac 10 Heroic: 18 - 19 - 21
Majordomo 10 Heroic: 22 - 19 - 20
Ragnaros 10 Heroic: 55 - 58 - 60

Baleroc 10 Normal: 23 - 18 - 19
Shannox 10 Normal: 21 - 23 - 18
Rhyolith 10 Normal: 21 - 22 - 22
Alysrazor 10 Normal: 22 - 19 - 23
Beth'ilac 10 Normal: 23 - 18 - 18
Majordomo 10 Normal: 21 - 18 - 23
Ragnaros 10 Normal: 55 - 55

Total after week 1: 357
Total after week 2: 711
Total after week 3: 1019

Week 1: I'm honestly surprised that I had more drop from normal than I did heroic...
I'll be back to update on how much I get after reset and during the first week of 10.1.5

Week 2: Not much changed after patch, but I did get a lot more BoEs
I'm sure at this rate I'll be done after next reset

Week 3: I was able to go through Heroic and through Majordomo to get all of my embers. On to the next set of quests!

Comentado por b34tst34k

If you do a faction change while on the quest, you keep your cinders but you need to pick up the quest again.

Comentado por ItsFilko

Just to clarify as I've seen some videos on youtube speculating that "legacy" mode drops the Cinders, by Legacy mode they are referring to Timewalking and I can confirm that it DOES drop Cinders and as of patch 10.1.5 it is very easy to do with a pug. We 1 shot every boss except Rag which took two attempts and every boss dropped Cinders which were personal loot.

Comentado por johnnymo

From Dragonflight 10.2 this the drop numbers for heroic - 25 and normal - 25 combined. So this quest should be able to completed in 3 weeks.

Heroic -
Lord Rhyolith dropped 21
Alysrazor dropped 21
Shannox dropped 21
Beth'tilac dropped 21
Baleroc dropped 21
Staghelm dropped 21
Ragnaros dropped 66
- total = 192

Normal -
Lord Rhyolith dropped 18
Alysrazor dropped 18
Shannox dropped 18
Beth'tilac dropped 18
Baleroc dropped 18
Staghelm dropped 18
Ragnaros dropped 62
- total = 170

Grand total = 362

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Tarecgosa está vinculada a você, <name>, mas apenas temporariamente. O poder de um Aspecto é necessário para selar permanentemente a essência dela.

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