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Comentado por Yuka2

As of wotlk Critical strike rating applies to both Spells and physical attacks

Comentado por 208394

This is actually quite an interesting gem to me as a Holy Priest. I'm looking to stack a chunk of crit for Inspiration and the new Holy Concentration and Surge of Light. With Replenishment working the way it does, the crit rating and 2% mana may work out to be more MP5 than the Intellect and proc from the Insightful gem (for a Holy Priest with Holy Concentration). Definitely warrants some research, imo.

Comentado por Tenedas

I have tried to find out where u can take the design for this meta gems on wowhead without luck, anyone know where?

Comentado por 203775

Dunno about heals but im getting this on my Battlemao hide helm on balance druid...

Comentado por NobodyYouKnow

+2% mana

Does this mean it increases how much mana i get back from stuff such as blessings of wisdom?

Comentado por mojojojo101

This is brilliant as a disc priest.. crit for more DA procs and the +2% increases not only our mana pool but the amount gained from rapture... i will definately being getting this on my priest

Comentado por channa

Yeah, it's great. Does it exist?

Comentado por Niex

Very Nice for a Ret paladin Who doesnt socket Blue Gems its a toss up between this and the 42 atp and minor run speed for PvE of course

Comentado por 243700

This Just dropped for me in Storm Peaks Off of a Mommoth or Worm. I don't know which because I was AoE farming them for the meats and looted it out of a pile of bodies.

Comentado por 234513

Dropped for me off of a Bitter Initiate in Icecrown. I have not sold it yet, but if I do, I will update this with the selling price.

Comentado por HealerGarrick

Had it drop in Heroic Utgarde Pinnacle from trash mobs. Being a completionist JC, my girlfriend was quite happy to see it.

The following appear to be true:
1) It is a Northrend world-wide drop, probably among 80+. There have been numerous reports of it coming from both inside and out of instances.
2) This seems to be more raid-centric, because it shines more when replenishment methods are available.
3) The larger your mana pool, the better this is. Currently 20K+ mana pools are obtained fairly readily pre-naxx. When T8 hits, this may be more like 26K. Unlike the Insightful, this gem SCALES.

All in all it seems like a pretty nice gem. I'd guess <EDIT> Holy paladins and </EDIT> mages would get the biggest benefit from this, but really anyone with a large mana pool could appreciate it.

Comentado por d3nyd

This is probably the gem you want for a Holy pally. I'll definitely be picking this up on mine.

Comentado por Dyna

Ok so after looking for a meta for my disc priest i found these two Insightful Earthsiege Diamond + Beaming Earthsiege Diamond but it appears no one can decide which is best so here is my try at working it out. If your not interested in how i worked this out i would advise reading the first bit then skipping down to the summery.

First part is a break down of what each gem gives you

Insightful Earthsiege Diamond
+21 Intellect and Chance to restore mana on spellcast

The 21 Int gives you

15mana per intel (15 * 21 = 315mana)

Intellect also increases the amount of MP5 generated by Spirit.

Increased crit chance of 0.126% (assuming 166.6667 = 1% crit (which according to here it is.

+ return of mana 2% of returning 600 mana.

There are plenty of posts about how much this could return well tecnically it could proc of every spell case thats outside its internal cooldown from what ppl have said it looks to be around 15 secs so max theroetically would be an increase of 200mp/5 of course your very very unlikely to ever get that :)
So we will use some averages (50 casts a min lets say for sake of arguements should be about right for disc priests and pallys), basically this will on average return you 12 mana per spell cast. Now that may not sound like much but healing a boss for 2 mins thats 1200 mana returned if it only hits twice in those casts or aprox 50mp/5

Beaming Earthsiege Diamond
+21 Critical Strike Rating and +2% Mana

21 crit rating gives 0.46% crit
2% mana on 15750 mana pool is an extra 315 mana

So to compare there are three things it appears we need to look at, the increase in your mana pool, the increse in crit and finally how each of them returns mana

Increasing mana pool

Insightful Earthsiege Diamond gives us 315 mana

Beaming Earthsiege Diamond gives 2% mana pool increase for that 2% extra mana to equal the int from insightful you would need a mana pool of 15750 prob an around average amount of mana for a priest/pally.

Think we can call that one a draw (of course 2% mana will scale better with bigger mana pools)

Increasing crit chance

Insightful Earthsiege Diamond gives us aprox 0.126% crit increase
Beaming Earthsiege Diamond gives us 0.46% crit chance increase

One to Beaming Earthsiege Diamond

Returning mana (this bit got a bit more complicated and the last part only applys to disc priests)

Insightful Earthsiege Diamond gives 1200 mana aprox returned in an average fight of two mins is a lot of mana however you look at it tbh (60mp/5 while casting) of course you have to take into account that its a proc not a garanteed return, but think how often the WG trinket or the Badges trinket procs if were looking at a similer return it is going to be returning you a lot of mana, combine this with rapture and its going to meen that some of your healing spells are actually going to add mana to your pool when you heal!
Returns from mp/5 from int i imagine will be next to none although every little helps

Beaming Earthsiege Diamond gives no mana returns to pallys as far as im aware unless i missed something.

So for pallys a clear win to the insightful gem
For disc priests it becomes more complicated

From here on im talking about the disc prist tallent rapture returns 0.25% of you mana when you cast a full heal - please note the maths for working out actuall returns from rapture are mindblowing there is a thread in the priest forum with them in if your interested - but for this i have just used the simple formula of 0.25% of your mana being returned which would mean perfect heals every time with no overheal!

The only possiable way of Beaming Earthsiege Diamond returning any mana is to disc priests via rapture and at very most thats going to return you .25% of your mana for a fullly utilised heal and remember this only applies to any differance between the mana increases from the int on one and the 2% on the other.
This means two thing firstly you must hava a mana pool of over 15750 for the 2% to surpass the 21 intel, secondly your going to need a large amount of mana over the 15750 for it to be worth while. For every 400 mana you go over the 15750 you get 1 extra mana point back for every fully sucsesfull cast (no overheal remember) using maths from up there ^^ the proc should return on average 12 mana per spell cast so that means we need 4800 extra mana (12 x 400) over the original 15750 or a mana pool of 20550 mana for the mana returns via rapture to be worth even considering.

(i have realised after writing all this that i dont think the maths here is quite right but its late and im not going through and changing it all now its not much differance, but taking into account the extra mana for the 2% to be applied to, the limit of where this starts paying off may be ever so slightly lower slightly lower and if you read on its not probably not worth worrying about especially considering how mind numming the maths for rapture actually is)

Summery - this may be about where you want to stop ignoring my wall of text.

Beaming Earthsiege Diamond gives 0.335% extra crit chance

On an average geared player both of these gems will add about the same amount of mana to their mana pool.

Insightful Earthsiege Diamond returns a lot of mana on average but is a proc (but does that stop most casters from having the badge trinket? no because over the amount of time you will be using it you are very likely to see the average returns from procs)

Beaming Earthsiege Diamond returns no mana to most classes

so as a genral rule Insightful Earthsiege Diamond is always better for pallys and better for average to well geared disc priests.

Would only recomend Beaming Earthsiege Diamond to well geared disc priests who will benifit from the return of mana via rapture (in my estimation were talking tose with mana pools above 24k) at this point the rapture returns will probably be about equal (assuming of course your good gear was got through some lvl of skill) at this point the extra crit rating would start to outweigh the possibilities of lots of procs as mana shoulnd't be a problem.

Of course that last part of that is imo and involves some educated guessing and is about personal prefferance, my advice (and exactly what im going to do for my avarage geared disc priest) is get the Insightful Earthsiege Diamond, then consider the sidegrade if it becomes worth it later on for the additional crit.

Of course pallys should just get the Insightful Earthsiege Diamond all that spamming of flash of light may wear the trinket out though :P

Oh and on a side note as i saw it mentioned Beaming Earthsiege Diamond would be the only choice out of these two for hunters as they dont cast spells and although they may be able to get it to proc on some things that are considered spells maybe revive pet? but is really not worth it as most of the things they do in combat wouldnt be considered spells. And yes we know you like doing lots and lots of dps and yes a 2% chance to return 600 mana on every one of your abilities would allow you to do that forever but you have to let the rest of the dps have something to do :P

Sorry about the wall of text just thought i may as well share it with you :) may edit looks later :)

Comentado por Dyna

sry a litte more wall of text than i was aiming for will try to make it look better tomorrow

Comentado por 172135

2% of what? Compared to what?

Comentado por Windscar

This increases your TOTAL mana by 2%. So as your gear scales better intellect, you will get more mana out of this gem then insightful as of right now Insightful might be better then Beaming. It might be possible in later raids in LK, intellect levels might reach about 2000 in raids at which Beaming will be better since how Replenishment works as total mana and not based on int or base mana.

Comentado por 331595

3 posters in this thread using the word "Then" versus "Than". No, I'm not an english teacher, but yes, you are clearly a moron. I don't care if you are ESL, it's very basic.

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–conjunction
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Comentado por 299743

If you're a healer who has a separate set of int gear for Vezax hard mode, Beaming is a much better choice than Insightful.

Comentado por Fulgorater

As explained above concerning a disc priest as an example, there may be more worthwhile with insightful.

However, upon reading the patch notes for up coming 3.2...

Replenishment: This buff now grants 1% of the target's maximum mana over 5 seconds instead of 0.25% per second. This applies to all 5 sources of Replenishment (Vampiric Touch, Judgements of the Wise, Hunting Party, Enduring Winter Frostbolts and Soul Leech).

is this a buff to replenishment? making mana pools slighty more interesting?
also as a resto shaman, mana tide does a percentage of my mana back as well....

Not sure how to measure all of these aspects but I'm going to hold onto my cheaply bought beaming to see what takes place

Comentado por 116104

How is this meta for resto druids?

Comentado por ColdKiller

I've got this on my hunter, before you flame listen.

The only meta-gems i'd use are the agi, crit and ap ones.

Now first choice is agi, but the only lvl 80 agi meta-gem requires a blue gem (Relentless Earthsiege Diamond), which i don't put in my gear.

Second choice is crit, the only other two meta-gem with crit that i could use require blue gems (Chaotic Skyflare Diamond and Destrucive Skyflare Diamond), so those were no-go next choice was this one, (all others are for pvp e.g., fear resist, snare/stun reduction).

Comentado por Ciren

For Holy Paladins (geared) this could be slightly better than insightful... (600 mana if ur mana pool is 30,000), though it can be argued insightful is better because it allows int stacking and just throwing in one nightmare's tear for the meta (this one requires 2 red gems ) sooo imo this is a good option for geared paladins who have enough mana to make the scale worth while (but those gearing up should stick with insightful)

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