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Comentado por delindsay

Not sure why Blizz settled on Level 100 instead of 98 since everything else in Legion (mostly) is accecible at 98 including the current 250/1500 Rep BoA Tokens but I'm still glad they're putting in catch up mechanics.

Comentado por Coldheart

They should make a similar item for Draenor factions reput. It would be so useful.

Comentado por BortBort

Any word on where we get these?

Comentado por ED209

Had one drop from Vagath, o Traído in northern Krokuun.

Comentado por Gyrospark

Cannot be used above level 109.

Well *!@#. I was saving my boa tokens to use with this but didnt realize its only to be used on new alts and not 110 alts.

That being said I think its still worth saving the tokens for new alts over existing 110 alts, use them on a lv109 alt to get them all to or near exalted, which in turn will allow the new alt to get more boa tokens from the missions.

EDIT: You CAN farm paragon caches with these. Just confirmed by myself using a lv100 character. Takes 2 greater tokens and 2 normal tokens to get each cache (4500x2 + 750x2 = 10,500/10,000). Nightfallen cache will be higher since the base greater token gives 750 instead of 1500 (so 2250 rep per greater token with this buff) .

EDIT2: Hotfixed. You can no longer get paragon caches before lv110.

Comentado por carwik149

This item is basically useless for anyone who has to do some form of rep grinds.. The reason being: To do rep with the Wardens for example, you must have World Quests unlocked (110) and there is no other way of getting a lot of rep with them, especially now that you don't get any rep from doing dungeons.

Comentado por Sturminator

Be aware. The effect of this item doesn't persist through death. So be more careful than you normally would.

Edit: Don't bother using this at level 109 prior to hitting level 110 thinking you could get some use of the buff at 110. The buff disappears.

Comentado por Blackbeardswe

So i leveled all my 15 chars to 110 last year and i only really play on 2-3 of them.

And these start to drop now? and only work for 109 or below? sigh..........

Comentado por zivlaks

Normally you need 168 normal (250 rep) or 28 greater (1500 rep) insignias to reach exalted with any reputation starting from neutral. Using this item you reduce that to 56 normal insignias and 10 greater insignias. Only downside is you can only use it on levels lower than 110 but still, maxing out any reputation for 10 big tokens is kinda sweet.

You can use this macro to calculate how much rep you would get from all insignias:

/run print("Valarjar Rep:",GetItemCount(146941)*250+GetItemCount(150925)*1500);print("Court of Farondis Rep:",GetItemCount(146943)*250+GetItemCount(150927)*1500);print("Wardens Rep:",GetItemCount(146945)*250+GetItemCount(150929)*1500);print("Dreamweaver Rep:",GetItemCount(146942)*250+GetItemCount(150926)*1500);print("Hightmountain Tribe Rep:",GetItemCount(146944)*250+GetItemCount(1509287)*1500);print("Legionfall Rep:",GetItemCount(146950)*250+GetItemCount(152464)*750);

It only works on BoA insignias and you will need any addon that lets u use longer macros like "Long Macros". If it says more than 14 000 for any rep that means you can get exalted if you use the Nathrezim Tome for that rep.

ADDITIONAL INFO:
Tested and these don't work with Argus rep sadly!

Comentado por Malinoric

This does work with the BoA rep tokens granted from missions, so you can get any alt to exalted with all the factions before ever hitting 110. That's probably the best way to use these tomes.

Comentado por tiagotau

Can you get paragon caches at 109? I can see a great use for this tome that way.

Comentado por StrangRonKorgath

Could be good for a exp booster like the garrison elixir of knowledge or Krol's exp pot in MoP. But as it stands it feels like a pretty worthless item unless ur making a 101 to twink farm leather and stuff, because you need to buy shoulder enchants now (because u cant enchant and mail anymore). I'd like to see it get an exp bonus like the other xpacs had so its more useful than a rep token for toons that can't really get rep from anything :/ or no lvl cap.

Comentado por Elcalath

Does anyone know if it´s possible to get emissary bonus chests from using Tomo da Manipulação Nathrezim combined with a massive amount of rep BoA tokens ?

Essentially it comes down to if it´s possible to get emissary bonus chests before hitting max lvl. That would spare me, doing endless WQ´s for those rewards by just using BoA tokens on human alt, with Tomo da Manipulação Nathrezim and the Darkmoon hat. Would be even worth lvling up a whole new character for that!

Comentado por quarny

Unfortunately it has now been hotfixed, characters under 110 can no longer gain paragon reputation, wasted a few tokens before realizing this... I assume it was done with the November 6th hotfixes, nice of them to tell us.

Comentado por Snurp

Apparently, the second useful scenario for this item has also been removed. As of December 6th, you can no longer use this item on your level 110 toons in a timewalking dungeon. This was possible prior to this date, the buff stayed on you until you dropped out of the instance. You could bring Insignias to boost your reputation and farm for paragon caches.

Personally, I farmed enough insignias and tomes for 300 paragon caches over the 7 factions, that I intended to use this timewalking event (with the 75 Artifact Knowledge active).

Well, that's 500 billion Artifact Power down the drain for me today. Thanks Blizz :D

Comentado por Rhacius

I've used 3 of them so far on new characters leveling through valsharah, and doing all the quests in the zone it gets me to a few thousand into revered starting from nothing. One of these items is more than enough to clear a single zone, you will probably have half an hour or so left for another zone.

Comentado por Lostelf

Used one at the start of Highmountain, it ran out shortly after I received the quest to go into the dungeon.

Ended up at 10k/21k revered, so it's great to get a massive boost towards the Highmountain Allied race!

Going to try and get another tome before doing the dungeon, since that quest and the quest after it reward a total of 1500 rep unbuffed... with the buff that'll be 4500, making me 14.5k-15k/21k revered for completing the main Highmountain questline and a few side quests. No invasions as of yet.

Comentado por Arkron

So, just to make sure: "increase reputation gains by 200%"

That means the reputation gains are tripled, right? What gives 250 rep will give 750?

Comentado por AlexL1118

Do I understand correctly its tooltip - is this item consumed on use?

Comentado por AddictedPoi

I wanted to explore some opportunities... for science!
I used party sync to reduce my level to 100 (you have to sync with someone at 100 or lower).
I used Nathrezim Tome of Manipulation and received the appropriate buff.
I kept the Impressive Influence buff, too.
I used several tokens like Dreamweaver Insignia but received no rep due to the hotfix, which prevents characters under 110 from earning paragon rep.
Once I dropped party sync, the buff granted by Nathrezim Tome of Manipulation disappeared.

Comentado por Qoko

Per Shadowlands prepatch these are (again) slightly more usable than just boosting leveling rep. When Legion paragons were still giving thousands of gold this was nerfed to not work at 110 and Paragons were unable to be obtained below 110 due to the BoA rep tokens. Now:

Usable on level 40-49 (conversion from 100-119).
Paragons are available, at least, at 45 (conversion from 110).
Paragons give ~200g and ~1000 Order Resources.

With the Tome (+200%) reputation values are as follows:

Base insignias: 750 (14 to Paragon)
Nightfallen and Legionfall greater insignias: 2250 (5 to Paragon)
Other Broken Isle greater insignias: 4500 (3 to Paragon)
Argussian Reach and Army of the Light are still unaffected.

If you have alts that are Exalted with (most) Legion factions and run insignia missions frequently, you can 'abuse' the system once again. You'd need a character dedicated to this though, and in order of importance you want this to be:

Level 49
Guerreiro
Champions at 950
Human

Some of these make sense, some do not. I explained the efficiency below for those interested.
Level: obviously, you need a character at 40-49. To avoid being very aggro happy to mobs, it's convenient to use a level 49 character out of Chromie Time with xp disabled to avoid any issues with mobs and whatnot. Another convenience is if they ever nerf Tome Paragon efficiency you are very close to 50.

Class: very important for efficiency, and personally more important than a small rep buff. Guerreiro's Salte para a Fortaleza Celeste is incredibly convenient for Paragon turn ins; you can jump to all areas (but Warden's Redoubt) and back and is hands down the best for this purpose alone; in the long run you need much less time to turn-ins. Magos have the inferior Teleporte do Nexus. Caçador is worth a mention because of Águia Aliada, but vastly inferior to warrior and mage.

Champions: you get thousands of Recursos da Ordem. You can trade these 1000/Sangue de Sargeras baseline, so one Paragon gives one Blood essentially. However, having access to maxed level Champions, preferably with at least two pieces of equipment, gives you access to Vantagem esmagadora & Dessangre-os. This increases OR efficiency to 200/Sangue de Sargeras. Bloods can be used to buy any Legion mat which are still useful; mainly ores, Starlight Rose. If you need, you can turn Bloods back into Order Resources for alts low on Resources, so the system remains self sufficient.

Race: for race Diplomacia matters. Tl;dr: having a human warrior at 49 helps, but the Horde can't baseline, and Alliance creating a new one purely for this will only pay itself back in years to come. The explanation: surprising but logical, adding a 10% boost to 200% is somewhat insignificant; especially compared to the benefit of the above two pointers. Reputation bonuses additions occur additive; meaning Diplomacy just adds 3.3% (10/300). In another explanation, from Diplomacy alone you get 25 additional rep per common insignia, meaning you need 400 for an additional Paragon. In pure gold and resources this is 50s and 2OR/token; worth it if free, but not if you have to level a character from scratch.

Comentado por EdyG

Can confirm this still drops in 9.0 just got it.

Also, because it now req lvl 49 or lower, and legion paragon rep is for lvl 45, this means it CAN be used for paragon rep gains, as long as the toon using it is below 50.

*Edit* Can now also CONFIRM it CAN be used for paragon reps. I had100s of legion rep tokens on my 44 monk waiting for one of these to drop so I could use them all. Got ext with all pre argus factions, post squish I was exactly 1 xp away from 45, turned in cromie quest, hit 45 and the buff stayed on me. I ended up getting 3 farondis boxes, 8 warden boxes(Coulda had 9, I *!@#ed it up) 8 dreamweaver boxes, 7 highmountain boxes, 1 valajar box and .. Then I had to unlock nightborne to turn in box, so because I was max paragon rep I had to basically delete the rep you get from the few quests early on, got a box but by this point my darkmoon faire buff had gone, so am now waiting for it to come back to get my 2nd box, as I have 3 rep tokens left for them.

Out of all these boxes I got 0 legos or paragon cosmetics like mounts. (Although I already have all legion paragon rep rewards from back with the 100% bonus during BFA.)

Comentado por aernath

I just killed Vagath with 12 of my characters and nothing dropped. Maybe I was just super unlucky but that's the situation, so if you're going to use your old items, be extra careful, just in case ;b

Comentado por boogg

nice

Comentado por AddictedPoi

You can start gaining paragon reputation only at level 45 and higher.

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Tomo da Manipulação Nathrezim

Nível do Item: 45
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Uso: Estuda como influenciar as pessoas à sua volta, aumentando em 200% o ganho de reputação com as facções das Ilhas Partidas por 2 hrs.

Não pode ser usado acima do nível 49.
Requer Nível 40

Empilhamento máx: 20

Saqueado de: Vagath, o Traído

Chance de Saque: 10.13%

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