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Comentado por stoom38

a reference to the song by Queens of The Stone Age from the album Rated R :P

Comentado por DLuniz

I hope it goes by accual numbers you get and not just number of tried
so that way Elixer spec alch procs can speed this up a bit

Comentado por Gazolin

Obvious refference to an album from Fatboy Slim called: Better living through chemistry.

Comentado por coredumperror

The origins of the phrase "Better Living Through Chemistry" go back much, much further than current pop culture.

It's actually a variant on the DuPont slogan "Better Things for Better Living...Through Chemistry" which they adopted in 1935.

Comentado por Ismat

How long will this achievement take to earn?

Let's say you have a guild with a moderate raiding schedule: 25-man raids 3 days a week for 3 hours a day. If every raid member spends the whole time flasked, that's 75 flasks a raid (ignoring Mixology) or 225 flasks a week.

At that rate, it will take 111 weeks to earn this achievement. Starting at the beginning of Cataclysm, you might have it at about the time the next expansion comes out. Any extra alt raids or guild members participating in pug raids could shrink this number.

Of course, this presumes every flask the guild uses will have been made by a guild member. Guild leaders will need to demand this if they want to have a shot at earning the cauldron recipe for their guild in a reasonable timeframe.

You'd better hope you have guild members making extra flasks to sell on the AH. Of course, since every guild will want to use guild-made flasks for the sake of achievements, the flask market will be restricted largely to pugs and people who want to flask outside of raids for some reason. This combination of high supply and low demand on the open market is likely to depress prices, which could make it difficult for alchemists to sell flasks profitably.

Comentado por Xiuhtec

It hasn't changed at all. The 10,000 flask achievement gives you the 10-man cauldrons, and the 25,000 flask achievement gives you the 25-man cauldrons.

Either way, if you have a 10-hour-per-week raid schedule and only make flasks for your own guild raids (never buy or sell flasks from/to out-of-guild), you will unlock the appropriate cauldron in 100 weeks of raiding.

Honestly, this seems like a serious mathematical error on Blizzard's part. I doubt they intended cauldrons to be THIS rare, basically something only incredibly huge guilds (those 600+ member ones) get before the next expansion hits. On my server at least, this is 7.5 million gold in total flask value (~300g per flask). The whole thing feels off by an order of magnitude. 1000/2500 flasks is still going to take 10 weeks, about the same time leveling a guild to 25 takes. I'm hoping for a hotfix/change.

Comentado por Vaeldarg

remember this is a GUILD achievement, the time it takes for 1 person trying to solo this achievement is irrelevant.

Comentado por fedas15

They really need to change the numbers for some of their achievements, they're just ridiculous in my opinion. ~~No 10man guilds will ever get this !@#$ done.~~

Edit - They actually have nerfed this from 25,000 flasks needed, to only having to make 3000 for this achievement. Glad that they have done this. BTW, even though it still says you need 25k, it has been hotfixed, and once you reach 3k, your guild will get the achievement.

Comentado por dan121

Really now people, we need complaining to blizzard. These cauldron achievements are insane and should be lowered to 1,000 and 2,500 or something. Even as a a huge guild that is highly competitive, there is no chance of seeing this in this expansion.

Comentado por Hezkezl

Or you can ignore the achievements and just use the normal flasks, like most people who think this is too difficult to do. Whining to Blizzard and asking them to nerf an OPTIONAL ACHIEVEMENT, is just... silly.

Comentado por odok

Do flasks created from cauldrons count towards the achievement?

Comentado por Simonakakungen

Creating the 7 charges cauldron does count towards the achievement.

Comentado por sef24

The requirements for this achievement seems like it will take awhile, but it costs flasks to make the cauldrons.

A guild should use funds to make flasks to count towards the achievement, not an amount to supply a raid night, but to stock up for the future.

With a large amount in storage, a guild will get to the requirements faster and be able to use these flasks for cauldrons when the time comes.

My guild got the achievement ~2 months after cata came out, we will run out of flasks sooner or later

Comentado por Mazzic

Just wanted to point out this is most likely based on the Queens of Stone Age Song - Better Living Through Chemistry :)

Comentado por doesntknofail

Does any know if the 1000 flasks form Mix Master count towards this achieve?

Comentado por Beltane

Your information is now out-of-date, as this only requires 3000 flasks now it will only take 33 weeks, as a 10 man guild with a similar raiding schedule.

10 raiders per raid, 3 hours per raid, 3 raids per week means 90 flask per week. 33.3 weeks until achievement.

25 raiders per raid will make it take only a couple of months, leaving you with plenty of time in Cataclysm to reap the benefits.

Comentado por auredria

Doing the math, you would need at least 4 banker toons to store the raw mats. Without adding in the procs and everything else, guild bonuses, etc. Here is what I came up with. (Not including the Crystal Vials since you can easily purchase those from a vendor).

Flask of the Winds: 8 Volatile Life 8 Azshara's Veil 8 Whiptail
Flask of Titanic Strength: 8 Volatile Life 8 Cinderbloom 8 Whiptail
Flask of Draconic Mind: 8 Volatile Life 8 Azshara's Veil 8 Twilight Jasmine
Flask of Flowing Water: 8 Volatile Life 8 Stormvine 8 Heartblossom
Flask of Steelskin: 8 Volatile Life 8 Cinderbloom 8 Twilight Jasmine

3000 Flasks needed to be made. 600 of each flask to be made for the 3000 Mix Master achievement. Total for Volatile Life is divided by the amount of a full stack which is 200. Totals for herbs is divided by the amount of a full stack which is 20.

Volatile Life: 40x600=24000 (120 stacks)
Azshara's Veil: 16x600=9600 (480 stacks)
Cinderbloom: 16x600=9600 (480 stacks)
Stormvine: 8x600=4800 (240 stacks)
Heartblossom:8x600=4800 (240 stacks)
Whiptail: 16x600=9600 (480 stacks)
Twilight Jasmine: 16x600=9600 (480 stacks)

A total of 2520 slots is needed to store the raw mats for the flasks.

Each guild bank tab as 98 slots in it. With a banker guild, only 6 tabs can be purchased (unless you and some friends want to share it and level it up). That brings the total to 588 slots.
If you can manage to gather up 7 Hyjal Expedition Bags (thats 36 slots each), thats an extra 252 slots, along with the 28 slots for your toon's personal bank.

So, lets see here:
588+252+28=868

A total of 868 slots on one toon! So therefore, you need 3 banker toons to store all the raw mats you will need to get this achievement.

3000/868=2.9
868x3=2604

~~So you will need an extra one to carry the last 580 slots.~~

Happy mixing!
Auredria

Comentado por knous23

It DOES count the extra's that elixer master transmute specialists get.

Comentado por gbalkam

Not meaning to necro an old post, however, since I did not see the information I am going to add, here goes.

1) This is a guild achievement. You will get this automatically as people in your guild level alchemy and make potions for that character level range. Healing and mana potions are always handy, as well as stat boosting potions for raids and battle grounds.

You do not need to make ALL the potions yourself, so the "storage area for materials" is not relevant at all, since you will either get the potions made toward this achievement by people leveling alchemy or making the potions to use, sell, or for guild mates.

2) The reward is a raid potion, a "cauldron", to place down either in raids, or if you want to show off a bit, in the starting area for battle grounds, always a nice bonus and pretty neat way to show how cool you are.

3) the potions you make while leveling can be used to make the cauldron, provided you keep them, and not use, or sell them all. I would start putting stacks of the potions needed aside as you (your guild) got close to this achieve.

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Even as a level 90, running guild mates through dungeons and raids for gear, it would be handy. Just to say, look at what WE can make! And, of course, give a bit of stat boost in case some want to jump in and fight, rather than just watch you kill everything. LOL.

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